Leave or Remain?

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
It will be interesting to see the DUP's approach to democracy, if that happens...

Having said that, Johnson is the first PM capable of just dumping NI, especially now that he doesn't need their votes.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
My thoughts so far:

I want our country to be independent.
I don't trust the bastards in charge.
The EU mitigates the bastards decisions.
The bastards will have free reign if we leave.

So, for now, I guess I'm in. But purely because of the bastards in charge, I trust them less than any politicians I have ever had the misfortune to be misrepresented by. We're already giving our children's education to private firms, selling our hospitals to them (all financed by us, the taxpayer, but we get nothing back), imagine what they could do if unchecked?

An Indian gentleman recently said to me he always thought his own government was corrupt, but moving to the UK he realised they were more honest than ours.
Still stand by that!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Reading back a bit, it's interesting that my initial thoughts were leave with the proviso that I needed to know more before I could make an informed decision. The more I learned the further I got from leave, but if I hadn't done any research and trusted people down the pub to inform my views I'd probably have voted leave.

Luckily for me all the information was out there and nothing happening nowadays is a shock. Unfortunately for all of us many people didn't look at it and are now horrified they'll need a 7 quid visa to never leave an English all inclusive in Benidorm for 2 weeks.
 

BobClay

Well-Known Forumite
Brexiteers queueing for the Dover Ferry. Well .... ya wanted to remain over here didn't ya ??? :P

DoverFerry.jpg
 

Raven

Well-Known Forumite
I cannot understand why French customs is based in Dover ?
Why not Calais where there is vastly more room than Dover that has always struggled for room and where the slightest holdup for any reason has always caused an issue.

Well I have read that the lack of French manned control points in Dover is the reason & that being the case I am not surprised.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I cannot understand why French customs is based in Dover ?
Why not Calais where there is vastly more room than Dover that has always struggled for room and where the slightest holdup for any reason has always caused an issue.

Well I have read that the lack of French manned control points in Dover is the reason & that being the case I am not surprised.
For the same reason the British are in Calais, so you don't end up queueing back into the ships.

This problem was predicted and suggestions about how to avert it were ignored.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I cannot understand why French customs is based in Dover ?
Why not Calais where there is vastly more room than Dover that has always struggled for room and where the slightest holdup for any reason has always caused an issue.

Well I have read that the lack of French manned control points in Dover is the reason & that being the case I am not surprised.
I believe its because if we did all the checks upon landing dover has nowhere for people to park? So, as G said, they'd all have to wait on the ship meaning it can't prepare for snother sailing.

Just wait til they start biometric checks for third nationals, that's going to mean leaving the cars I guess?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I believe its because if we did all the checks upon landing dover has nowhere for people to park? So, as G said, they'd all have to wait on the ship meaning it can't prepare for snother sailing.

Just wait til they start biometric checks for third nationals, that's going to mean leaving the cars I guess?
I get that situation at Holyhead. Luckily, they have just about enough road between the ships and the exit to cope with the overnight boats. I've not attempted a daytime crossing for many years, for that and many other reasons. Two full ships arriving at the same time, as they seem determined to do, would certainly back up into the ships, if they attempted to stop more than a very few people. In my experience, they seem to stop a couple of trucks and a few cars with brown people in.
 
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