Mudgie's Bar.

Gramaisc

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Trumpet said:
Can't believe that the site owners were able to source a demolition company, have a site survey, accept a quote. Then the demolition co get the resources in place and complete the job within 24 hours bearing in mind most of this must've taken place on a Sunday.
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That merely displays the extremely high level of professionalism that people in that industry must have.
 
tek-monkey

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Trumpet said:
Can't believe that the site owners were able to source a demolition company, have a site survey, accept a quote. Then the demolition co get the resources in place and complete the job within 24 hours bearing in mind most of this must've taken place on a Sunday.
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This is proof that the public sector is too inefficient to exist, when the private sector can carry out weeks of planning and procurement within minutes. I blame AI.
 
Mudgie

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Trumpet said:
Can't believe that the site owners were able to source a demolition company, have a site survey, accept a quote. Then the demolition co get the resources in place and complete the job within 24 hours bearing in mind most of this must've taken place on a Sunday.
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The site owners were custodians of a PUBLIC House. It's demolition should be treated very seriously but I doubt it will be.
It reminds me of the nicely designed and well built BRC offices alongside Queensville Bridge being mostly demolished over a weekend.
And of the slates being removed from the roof of the Eagle until I phoned the Council and got it stopped. It's no surprise that owner St Modwen took no action against the demolition crew. Saved as a building but not as the lovely pub it was under the Feenans.
 
Thehooperman

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tek-monkey said:
This is proof that the public sector is too inefficient to exist, when the private sector can carry out weeks of planning and procurement within minutes. I blame AI.
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Would never have happened so quickly before Brexit with those lazy demolition folk from far away lands😂
 
Gramaisc

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Mudgie said:
I don't think it is.
Though just about the most distinctive building in the country should have been.
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It appears that it wasn't actually listed, although there had been moves in that direction. There are other places that are listed and known by the same name.

And, even if it was listed, very little of any real effect would be done about it.
 
Mudgie

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Gramaisc said:
It appears that it wasn't actually listed, although there had been moves in that direction. There are other places that are listed and known by the same name.

And, even if it was listed, very little of any real effect would be done about it.
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That's rather defeatist.
The Carlton Tavern in London was rebuilt.
The Grade II listed Punch Bowl Inn at Hurst Green, Lancashire closed in the summer of 2012 and stood empty until June 2021 when it was demolished but the owners did not have planning permission to demolish and at a magistrates court hearing in 2022 the parties responsible were order to rebuild the pub, brick by brick to its previous state.
 
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Mudgie said:
That's rather defeatist.
The Carlton Tavern in London was rebuilt.
The Grade II listed Punch Bowl Inn at Hurst Green, Lancashire closed in the summer of 2012 and stood empty until June 2021 when it was demolished but the owners did not have planning permission to demolish and at a magistrates court hearing in 2022 the parties responsible were order to rebuild the pub, brick by brick to its previous state.
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Both of those were demolished as they stood, as BRC offices were. If they had had the (mis)fortune of a catastrophic fire, the result could have been different, I suspect.

The Carlton Tavern is located in London, which might make it more important in the general scheme of things, than a place frequented by fewer and fewer Brummies.

The Punch Bowl has had no progress in being rebuilt. In May it was argued in court that rebuilding it as it was would not be possible in the current times and a further planning application was lodged for holiday lets. I suspect that, if you wish to have a pint in there, you may have a long wait - or book a holiday and take some cans.

The word on the street at the time was that the BRC event resulted in a £200 or £2,000 fine, depending on your source. Whichever it was, it would have come up on the 'good side' in a risk assessment.
 
Carole

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Trumpet said:
Can't believe that the site owners were able to source a demolition company, have a site survey, accept a quote. Then the demolition co get the resources in place and complete the job within 24 hours bearing in mind most of this must've taken place on a Sunday.
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Amazing really.
Yet certain parts of Stafford town centre which should probably have been demolished years ago are still left as an eyesore.
 
Gramaisc

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Carole said:
Amazing really.
Yet certain parts of Stafford town centre which should probably have been demolished years ago are still left as an eyesore.
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Street View indicates that the Albion, on the corner of Peel Terrace and Marston Road, was demolished around six years ago - and nothing seems to have happened since then.
 
Mudgie

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Gramaisc said:
Both of those were demolished as they stood, as BRC offices were. If they had had the (mis)fortune of a catastrophic fire, the result could have been different, I suspect.

The Carlton Tavern is located in London, which might make it more important in the general scheme of things, than a place frequented by fewer and fewer Brummies.

The Punch Bowl has had no progress in being rebuilt. In May it was argued in court that rebuilding it as it was would not be possible in the current times and a further planning application was lodged for holiday lets. I suspect that, if you wish to have a pint in there, you may have a long wait - or book a holiday and take some cans.

The word on the street at the time was that the BRC event resulted in a £200 or £2,000 fine, depending on your source. Whichever it was, it would have come up on the 'good side' in a risk assessment.
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Yes, a fine that's not a deterrent, hence the new Joules Brewery ripping out the old staircase from the listed Royal Oak in Eccleshall with the intention of paying a fine.
 
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Trumpet said:
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I believe that this may be the actual window.

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Trumpet

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Trumpet said:
I see on the news this morning that 'the authorities' are considering action against the developers.
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Whilst I appreciate that they cannot say too much at this time, statements from West Midlands Police that they are "treating the blaze as suspicious" are only going to lead to piss taking. Probably best say nothing until there's something to say.
 
Mudgie

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Trumpet said:
Whilst I appreciate that they cannot say too much at this time, statements from West Midlands Police that they are "treating the blaze as suspicious" are only going to lead to piss taking. Probably best say nothing until there's something to say.
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Staffordshire Police have said “In this case, we believe the fire may have been started deliberately”.
So with a bit more 'police intelligence' they might jointly start making some progress with the investigation.
 
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