Potential New Housing - Consultation

[My Name is URL]

Isn't it also time that the highways / council borrowed a bit of land from the MOD and made the Beaconside road dual carriageway?

 

[John Marwood]

Haha

I had to laugh at the long grass picture story

Outraged residents complaining about long grass ....
At The Meadows..

Haha!

Kin nutters

Look at this terrible mess!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022610/One-couple-57-flowers-Somerset-meadow-turned-field-dreams.html

Arf....

 

[Withnail]

Greenbelt?!!

None round ere guvna..

Well maybe not greenbelt, but it would eat up a lot of 'green and pleasant'.

 

[gilesjuk]

Isn't it also time that the highways / council borrowed a bit of land from the MOD and made the Beaconside road dual carriageway?

When the RAF flew off I had hoped the land would be given back but as someone I work with said at the time "The armed forces never give any land back".

 

[tek-monkey]

Which bit of greenbelt/greenish land is going to be destroyed? I understand the Baswich bridges bit, not sure on the rest though. Does anyone have a proper plan for the EDR?

Also, if the homes are viable without compromising the road building then Barratt need to get in quick. Those potential houses will be worth a lot less once the road appears, if it ever does.

 

[John Marwood]

Which bit of greenbelt/greenish land is going to be destroyed? I understand the Baswich bridges bit, not sure on the rest though. Does anyone have a proper plan for the EDR?

Also, if the homes are viable without compromising the road building then Barratt need to get in quick. Those potential houses will be worth a lot less once the road appears, if it ever does.

Green belt dunna start until you get beyond Brocton/Hilderstone

 

[Withnail]

Which bit of greenbelt/greenish land is going to be destroyed? I understand the Baswich bridges bit, not sure on the rest though. Does anyone have a proper plan for the EDR?

There's a rubbish map here

http://staffordbc-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/planning/cs/options?pointId=1228749682050

it gives an idea of the route and all the stuff that would come with it.

 

[tek-monkey]

So that actually goes round the back of baswich, and joins up at Walton on the Hill? I'd have gone through Baswich myself, straight onto Cannock road, but I can see the plan.

 

[John Marwood]

So that actually goes round the back of baswich, and joins up at Walton on the Hill? I'd have gone through Baswich myself, straight onto Cannock road, but I can see the plan.

I would have gone underground through the salt mines

 

[daz100]

How likely is this to happen? I am looking in houses in Baswich and do not want to end up living next to this bypass. One of the reasons I liked it was that it was on the edge of Baswich and fairly rural.

 

[Vault_girl]

They really need to do something for the traffic in the south east of Stafford. The whole point of the eastern bypass is to help with traffic especially when the motorway gets closed down. but like many others have said with new housing developments there is going to be even more traffic in that area. It would be more straight forward to have it go between hillcroft park and walton on the hill but that does mean that Walton High school would be right next to a VERY busy road. I wouldn't have thought it would take much longer (driving time wise) to loop around the whole walton estate area as well. but they havnt got access to that land at present.

An awesome idea would be some sort of uber road bridge joining from the fire station over the floodplains of radford bank up to the other motorway junction. If China can build a 26 mile sea bridge it should be impossible... just economically unfeasible. It would be the perfect solution though. It could also link up the back end of Wildwood to Rickerscote giving a few other exits towards town so radford bank and the Cannock road aren't overrun with commuters in the morning - they could get onto the bypass and get to junction 13 or 14 a lot more easily too. from the Cannock road it's either through a cton trussel to the motorway or down baswich lane (where I have been stuck for 20 minutes on the road by the crem before) to junction 14. neither is particularly direct or useful. It would also have the least impact on housing etc. Don't know what impact the poles holding the bridge up would have on the floodplain... less than a road (which would need levees or would get flooded anyway) but it could still be used for grazing land like it is now.

However I am no engineer which should be pointed out before someone calls me an idiot.

In the short term joining up the firestation to just beside kensington drive then somewhere near the entrace to St Thomas lane to the bottom end of baswich lane (missing out the windy bridges etc) would make driving easier down that way to join up with junction 14. I dont know if it would create more traffic though because I get the feeling traffic is lessened because people are put off going down that way because of the winding lanes and the massive wait to get onto the weston road. but the traffic could flow a lot easier if it was coming out on a roundabout. It might help Cannock Road a bit too because more people might go right at the baswich bra instead of left into town to get to the far side of Stafford. so less traffic using radford bank to get into town.


hmmm

 

[gilesjuk]

Sod building new roads. If people want to p*ss away their time sitting in a queue to get into town then let them. It might actually cause some people to engage their brain and realise that driving everywhere any time is not possible.

Build another road and it will fill up eventually. Then you'll need another road and another and so on.

As Ben Elton put it, it's like sticking a second bin in your kitchen to improve capacity, eventually it will fill up as well.

 

[gilesjuk]

How likely is this to happen? I am looking in houses in Baswich and do not want to end up living next to this bypass. One of the reasons I liked it was that it was on the edge of Baswich and fairly rural.

Not very likely hopefully. I imagine some of the more influential people (those with money) will live along Weeping Cross and Walton on the Hill.

 

[My Name is URL]

Sod building new roads. If people want to p*ss away their time sitting in a queue to get into town then let them. It might actually cause some people to engage their brain and realise that driving everywhere any time is not possible.

Build another road and it will fill up eventually. Then you'll need another road and another and so on.

As Ben Elton put it, it's like sticking a second bin in your kitchen to improve capacity, eventually it will fill up as well.

Thought I was reading a Henry's Cat post for a minute there....

Anyway I know there is some evidence behind the "build more road capacity and it will just fill up again" argument, but are you saying that if we had applied that 50 years ago, people would walk and cycle instead??? Its progress.

You could apply the same to housing and say right, we won't build any more houses and then people won't have any more kids...

 

[John Marwood]

How likely is this to happen? I am looking in houses in Baswich and do not want to end up living next to this bypass. One of the reasons I liked it was that it was on the edge of Baswich and fairly rural.

Not very likely hopefully. I imagine some of the more influential people (those with money) will live along Weeping Cross and Walton on the Hill.

I would go further and suggest a zero likelyhood of new public highway builds for at least a decade within the Borough

As for kitchen bins I predict a riot

 

[gilesjuk]

I would go further and suggest a zero likelyhood of new public highway builds for at least a decade within the Borough

As for kitchen bins I predict a riot

Well there's a lack of cash for one thing and lets face it Stafford council seems to be more interested in vanity projects like new offices than how people are expected to get to the office.

We hear the term sustainability bandied about but it doesn't seem to get acted on.

Part of the problem is people want to use the motorways but not live by them. They want to work in the city but not live in one. They want a town with a good nightlife but not have to live near the noise. They want a good rubbish tip to throw all their rubbish into but not live near it.

 

[Dabbler]

Frankly I'd be amazed if the Eastern Distributor Road in its original form ever saw the light of day. I can envisage the day when the bit of road to the fire station is completed through to Tixall Road, and from there across the floodplain to the bottom of Baswich Lane, thus turning Baswich Lane into the de facto distributor road.

It is really difficult, part of me says we need the distributor road, but as others have said, that won't have any impact on the many, many people who drive into town. There is going to be a fair bit of housing development around Stafford in coming years, including the redevelopment of the old Police Headquarters - where is all that traffic going to go?

Baswich Lane currently has 12,000 vehicles a day on there, and has had speeds recorded of up to 56mph, but more traffic would reduce that level of speed!

Is 35 houses at the bottom of Cornwall Drive going to have a big impact - possibly not, but it will definitely close off the possibility of that route for the Eastern Distributor.

Tough call...

 

[John Marwood]

I would go further and suggest a zero likelyhood of new public highway builds for at least a decade within the Borough

As for kitchen bins I predict a riot

Well there's a lack of cash for one thing and lets face it Stafford council seems to be more interested in vanity projects like new offices than how people are expected to get to the office.

We hear the term sustainability bandied about but it doesn't seem to get acted on.

Part of the problem is people want to use the motorways but not live by them. They want to work in the city but not live in one. They want a town with a good nightlife but not have to live near the noise. They want a good rubbish tip to throw all their rubbish into but not live near it.

The Staffordshire Place is a county building,not a Stafford Borough one,built to provide 1250 desks for 1650 staff

The county is currently trying to dispose of 16 other premises where these staff are currently based

 

[basil]

I would go further and suggest a zero likelyhood of new public highway builds for at least a decade within the Borough

As for kitchen bins I predict a riot

Well there's a lack of cash for one thing and lets face it Stafford council seems to be more interested in vanity projects like new offices than how people are expected to get to the office.

We hear the term sustainability bandied about but it doesn't seem to get acted on.

Part of the problem is people want to use the motorways but not live by them. They want to work in the city but not live in one. They want a town with a good nightlife but not have to live near the noise. They want a good rubbish tip to throw all their rubbish into but not live near it.

The Staffordshire Place is a county building,not a Stafford Borough one,built to provide 1250 desks for 1650 staff

The county is currently trying to dispose of 16 other premises where these staff are currently based

I think, and in no particular order

1 Highways dept at Riverway

2 The Green Hall

3 The Register office

4 14 Martin Street

5 16 Martin Street

6 Portakabin in Sandtford Street

7 Some office in Hixon

8 Social Services at Madford

9 Some office in Eastgate Street

10 errm that's about all i know

(source jictar)..........

 

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