Riots in Tottenham

[Hetairoi]

Are 'we' not citizens of the EU?

I do not count myself as a citizen of the EU!

You dont seem to count much for long before dragging out your prejudices

I have my views which seem to be at odds with a few of the more vociferous members of this forum and believe that debate is healthy!

 

[Admin]

...and believe that debate is healthy!

Indeed! If all cars were red, and so forth.

 

[United57]

I'm English and European, I may also be human.

 

[henryscat]

I have my views which seem to be at odds with a few of the more vociferous members of this forum and believe that debate is healthy!

I have no problems with differing views if people are happy to defend them. Debate is healthy. It is also reasoned, whereas your idea of reasons is "er, because I say so". Like the point about unemployment - you've disagreed which is fine, but there's no substance to your disagreement - that's arguing not debating.

 

[Withnail]

Your Conservative Prime Minister - on holiday

Your Conservative Mayor of London - on holiday

Are they not entitled to a holiday then...?

BARON Prescott of Kingston-upon-Hull in the county of East Yorkshire was, as ever, quick to jump on a Twitter bandwagon, appending the scathing #whereisthegovernment hashtag to his tweets about the Eurozone crisis.

He also took to Andrew Marr’s sofa after the first night of riots to announce that he had been in charge “every August for ten years, I had the tsumami (sic), I had the 7/11” (he was presumably referring to the Asian tsunami, which took place in December 2004, and either the terror attacks on New York in September 2001, or London in July 2005).

“I had one minister phone me up and say ‘I can do it from down in Cornwall on the beach’,” he continued, warming to his theme. “No you bloody well can’t, get up here, I want a full team sitting in cabinet discussing the issues.”

And how exactly did the artist formerly known as John Prescott react to criticism of defence secretary Geoff Hoon’s decision to go on a family holiday following the suicide of Dr David Kelly in August 2003? "Everyone has to have their holidays,” he announced on Breakfast with Frost

 

[Withnail]

I have no problems with differing views if people are happy to defend them. Debate is healthy. It is also reasoned, whereas [your] idea of reasons is "er, because I say so". Like the point about unemployment - you've disagreed which is fine, but there's no substance to your disagreement - that's *waving* not *drowning*.

On this day *not really*.

Employment Secretary Norman Tebbit did not appear to be offering any quick fixes when he said: "We are gradually fighting back in competitive terms against our rivals. As we can expand the economy so there will be more jobs available* in the future."

*in bike management consultancy

Full employment is an ideology as old as the hills round these parts - even i know that and i know next to nothing.

I would advocate insurrection against the state, but these days you have to be careful what you type - especially if you are a certain type.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

Full employment is an ideology as old as the hills round these parts - even i know that and i know next to nothing.

If there is anything to be learnt from the Milk Snatcher, it's where there is a political will, there is a political way.

Full Employment is fully achievable, with the right people in the right place to make these decisions. There are plenty of enviromental and social projects that could occupy the time of bored hands and provide an enhancement to the quality of lives of others.

 

[John Marwood]

Full employment is an ideology as old as the hills round these parts - even i know that and i know next to nothing.

If there is anything to be learnt from the Milk Snatcher, it's where there is a political will, there is a political way.

Full Employment is fully achievable, with the right people in the right place to make these decisions. There are plenty of enviromental and social projects that could occupy the time of bored hands and provide an enhancement to the quality of lives of others.

Is as old as the hills...

Managing worthy projects for the idle is a ridiculously expensive task. Punishing those who fail the tasks more so

The US houses one per cent of its populus in gaols

The equivelant cost of replicating that policy here would be the equivelant of 25% VAT

Sedation of the proles by means of drugs has been an unofficial policy of all Governments for decades .Tennants Super Farmers...

 

[basil]

Seems this is the only country in the world where civil unrest is not due to administration/socio-economics/inequality etc ......

 

[henryscat]

Full employment is an ideology as old as the hills round these parts - even i know that and i know next to nothing.

There's a bit of debate over whether you can ever reach a true state of full employment, but getting pretty close to it is arguably possible. The current economic setup is incompatible with a policy of working towards full employment though... It is ironic that those on here that complain about people not working, it being all their own fault etc have voted for the very economic system that exacerbates the problem.

It is completely and utterly bonkers that we have an economic system that is predicated on continual economic growth and therefore continual increases in consumption in a world where resources are finite. It doesn't take a genius that continued growth + finite resources = it will all implode one day.

 

[Scoot Doggy Dogg]

how bonkers is this?

I flippin love the Barton's Arms too...

 

[Withnail]

There's a bit of debate over whether you can ever reach a true state of full employment, but getting pretty close to it is arguably possible. The current economic setup is incompatible with a policy of working towards full employment though...

Yes, what i was trying (and rather failing) to say was that the goal of full employment is an outdated one. The concept that a certain level of unemployment is necessary to keep inflation down (primarily by keeping wages low) has been economic orthodoxy since the 70's.

Also, did anyone read Blair's musings in the Observer?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/20/tony-blair-riots-crime-family?intcmp=239

Precis: In a real sense this has nothing to do with me - I was just about to sort it all out but Gordon wouldn't let me.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

How about adopting full employment because its the right thing to do, sod the orthodoxy of the 70's

 

[John Marwood]

Any pix of the state of the Barton Arms? An oasis in a depressed zone, great building great boozer

 

[Withnail]

How about adopting full employment because its the right thing to do

Sadly, that kind of reasoning is equally outdated.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

How about adopting full employment because its the right thing to do

Sadly, that kind of reasoning is equally outdated.

The postmodern neo-deconstructive theory of fluid economics will make this fashionable, when it's written.

 

[Miss Red]

I understand that unemployment is high (whether it be down to gov, eu workers or just laziness), But a lot of the rioters have careers or training careers! News is filtering through now they have made arrests that they are made up of, Social workers, teachers, university students etc etc. Which is a fine example to set!

 

[John Marwood]

I understand that unemployment is high (whether it be down to gov, eu workers or just laziness), But a lot of the rioters have careers or training careers! News is filtering through now they have made arrests that they are made up of, Social workers, teachers, university students etc etc. Which is a fine example to set!

Could be worse, they could have gone into banking

 

[Miss Red]

I understand that unemployment is high (whether it be down to gov, eu workers or just laziness), But a lot of the rioters have careers or training careers! News is filtering through now they have made arrests that they are made up of, Social workers, teachers, university students etc etc. Which is a fine example to set!

Could be worse, they could have gone into banking

lol

 

[Hetairoi]

I understand that unemployment is high (whether it be down to gov, eu workers or just laziness), But a lot of the rioters have careers or training careers! News is filtering through now they have made arrests that they are made up of, Social workers, teachers, university students etc etc. Which is a fine example to set!

Could be worse, they could have gone into banking

They must be good candidates to become Bankers, taking what they haven't earned!