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The Sustainablility Thread
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exactly! this is not a daunting task. shopping for food is not an anxed riddled quagmire of choice. it's all under one roof - we're not hunting it or growing it (only in utopia!). people just think about it a little, then we'll find that it gently snowballs and before we know we'll comfortably be making these decisions, incorperating it into a routine. it will all make a difference as our buying choices will start to affect how our food is produced.Doctor said:
db
#chaplife
lol i was going to post a similar retort, but i thought i've been too negative in this thread already and didn't want to get a reputation for being a belligerent bar stewardDoctor said:And the weather is fabulous!jchiltz said:go on holiday in this country - there's a shed load to do!
yeah well, sacrifices have to be made.Doctor said:And the weather is fabulous!jchiltz said:go on holiday in this country - there's a shed load to do!
why fly half way across the world to bing drink, do drugs, dance all night and shove shite in your mouth when you can do that here any night of the week? why go on a cruise ship thats a microcosm of western culture when you can stroll down any generic town centre?
its those types of holiday that really piss me off - that was the point.
travelling and experiencing different cultures is another matter.
i love you! I'll chuck in my two euro-cents worth here, as it's a subject I'm deeply passionate about.
I'm constantly frustrated and dissapointed by peoples resistance to the idea of acting sustainably or environmentally. Opinions fall into 2 categories:
1. An outright denial that there is any need to: that climate change is a myth dreamt up by 'pinko liberals' in order to con right-wing (ie:the selfish) out of their right to drive a giant 4x4 round the corner to the shop, to fly first class from London to freakin' Newcastle, or to torture animals in the name of dinner. They'll cite such nonsense like the majority of scientists believing climate change isn't happening, or that it is, but it is not caused by man. The reality is of course that the majority of scientist whose field is climate change and that aren't in the employ of big oil have been screaming the opposite for years. Look around you - weather patterns are changing, glaciers are retreating rapidly,and the Northern Passage is navigable. At the very least, look at the price of petrol and realise it ain't Gordon Brown's fault, it ain't conflict in the middle east, it's scarcity, and that's YOUR fault.
2. Admittance that it's a problem, and a worry, but that it's SO HARD and expensive to do anything, and what difference will it make anyway. Well maybe that's true. There's a very good chance we're all screwed, or that our children are definitely screwed, but if we all started doing something, we MIGHT just make a difference and at least we can't say we didn't try when it all goes tit's up. Re-use everything you can, recycle everything you can't. Everything. It's not hard - most councils have pretty comprehensive collections, I know Stafford does - every scrap of paper, every bit of glass, put in the right container. Takes seconds. Stick a brick in your cistern, save water. If your on a meter, saves money. Unplug your goddamn phone charger, and everything else when not using. You'll save money. Get on a bike you fat bastards. It's free, fun, and you'll halt the slow necrotisation that's taking place in you lazy, flabby limbs. Grow stuff - it's easy, fun, and free. Thing's taste better when they're free. I live in a flat with not even a balcony, yet I'm managing tomatos, rocket, lettuce, strawberries, nasturtians, and several different herbs. Oh, and for god's sake, RE-USE PLASTIC BAGS. You've got hundreds in the cupboard, you REALLY don't need anymore.
Once you've got all the easy stuff out the way, it's a natural progression to the more difficult stuff. Consider vegetarianism. Sell your car. Stop buying so much crap you really don't need. Have only one child, or better yet, none, before they force it on us all anyway. Future generations (not yours, I'm afraid) will thank you for it, but best of all, so will your wallet.
/rant
tl:dr? Pull your fingers out you lazy meat-sacks and start doing something, anything, before we're all screwed. You'll save money anyway. Now turn off your computer and go and play outside (not going to do myself)
I'm constantly frustrated and dissapointed by peoples resistance to the idea of acting sustainably or environmentally. Opinions fall into 2 categories:
1. An outright denial that there is any need to: that climate change is a myth dreamt up by 'pinko liberals' in order to con right-wing (ie:the selfish) out of their right to drive a giant 4x4 round the corner to the shop, to fly first class from London to freakin' Newcastle, or to torture animals in the name of dinner. They'll cite such nonsense like the majority of scientists believing climate change isn't happening, or that it is, but it is not caused by man. The reality is of course that the majority of scientist whose field is climate change and that aren't in the employ of big oil have been screaming the opposite for years. Look around you - weather patterns are changing, glaciers are retreating rapidly,and the Northern Passage is navigable. At the very least, look at the price of petrol and realise it ain't Gordon Brown's fault, it ain't conflict in the middle east, it's scarcity, and that's YOUR fault.
2. Admittance that it's a problem, and a worry, but that it's SO HARD and expensive to do anything, and what difference will it make anyway. Well maybe that's true. There's a very good chance we're all screwed, or that our children are definitely screwed, but if we all started doing something, we MIGHT just make a difference and at least we can't say we didn't try when it all goes tit's up. Re-use everything you can, recycle everything you can't. Everything. It's not hard - most councils have pretty comprehensive collections, I know Stafford does - every scrap of paper, every bit of glass, put in the right container. Takes seconds. Stick a brick in your cistern, save water. If your on a meter, saves money. Unplug your goddamn phone charger, and everything else when not using. You'll save money. Get on a bike you fat bastards. It's free, fun, and you'll halt the slow necrotisation that's taking place in you lazy, flabby limbs. Grow stuff - it's easy, fun, and free. Thing's taste better when they're free. I live in a flat with not even a balcony, yet I'm managing tomatos, rocket, lettuce, strawberries, nasturtians, and several different herbs. Oh, and for god's sake, RE-USE PLASTIC BAGS. You've got hundreds in the cupboard, you REALLY don't need anymore.
Once you've got all the easy stuff out the way, it's a natural progression to the more difficult stuff. Consider vegetarianism. Sell your car. Stop buying so much crap you really don't need. Have only one child, or better yet, none, before they force it on us all anyway. Future generations (not yours, I'm afraid) will thank you for it, but best of all, so will your wallet.
/rant
tl:dr? Pull your fingers out you lazy meat-sacks and start doing something, anything, before we're all screwed. You'll save money anyway. Now turn off your computer and go and play outside (not going to do myself)
BBC
You knows it
Yeah wot Mystikal said. Recycle and ting innit. It's dead easy and saves the planet.
who knows what damage has been caused to our super little planet by the last 200 years of indstrialization which is something the British pioneered, so why not us to show the world to be ultra green
Oh and Hello Forum
who knows what damage has been caused to our super little planet by the last 200 years of indstrialization which is something the British pioneered, so why not us to show the world to be ultra green
Oh and Hello Forum
db
#chaplife
er, what? BBC, you're one of the longest standing members here (if not the longest) - why are you saying "hello" like you're a newbie?BBC said:Oh and Hello Forum
i take it you missed the bit about being a veggie? i can't see that going down well with you lol..BBC said:
wait a minute, you work for a prestige car company as well, and are constantly changing from sports car to sports car!
in fact - i suspect this someone else posting under your name, BBC.. although i can't think of anyone else who would call monquey "mystikal"
as ive said before and the point that seems to be recurrent is that it really doesnt take much to make a difference. we all dont have to suddenly start wearing hemp, but gradually change our lifestyles, becoming more conscience of the resources being used.Monquey said:of total sense and logic
why recycle something when it doesnt even need to be used in the first place? of course, recycle wherever possible but why use it / buy it to start off with? to take monquey's suggestion further - should there be a need for new plastic bags to be made any more?
alas it seems that the only people who are contributing to this thread are the people who already know the score (db aside - but m'thinks this is for debate purposes!). i sincerely hope that the few wise words on here are being absorbed somewhere, at some level, and contribute to making a move in the right direction for peoples lives and lifestyles.
db
#chaplife
even though i'm a quarrelsome queynt when it comes to green issues, even i manage to recycle like a mother lover.. a while ago, we managed to fill our green bin to the brim the morning after it was emptied (long story), which meant we couldn't empty any of the bins in our house for 2 weeks.. we stepped up our recycling game, and i was surprised at how easy it was to get by using only the various recycling options..Monquey said:
what are your opinions, monquey, on the various conspiracy theories we keep hearing about stafford council just shipping our blue-bin waste off to various landfills? i'm not saying i believe them, or trying to start a fight, i'm just interested to know your thoughts.. as someone who is so passionate about stuff like this, i assume you have actually done a bit of digging to establish whether your "recycled" stuff is actually being recycled? are you happy that this is the case?
db
#chaplife
as i'm sure you know, i am exactly the kind of "lazy meat sack" that monquey is berating, and proud of it.. in fact, half the problem is that people like me are belligerent and revel in their "right wing right to drive a 4x4 round the corner" (i.e. the "jeremy clarkson generation," if you will), so even though we know we are all headed for certain doom we steadfastly refuse to change..jchiltz said:
however, even i think plastic bags should be consigned to Room 101.. yes, i'll admit it - i've got a couple of those nice woven "Bags for Life" and i use these doing my weekly shop nowadays, rather than continue to build upon the plastic bag mountain i've got at my house..
and therein lies the problem, imo.. people who are interested in sustainability will already be practising what they are preaching.. people who aren't won't even read about it, let alone pay any attention..jchiltz said:
it doesn't matter what spin you put on it - like the good doctor's request to change the thread title from "Environment" to "Sustainability" because he thinks "hippy green issues ... will always just get dismissed".. do you really think the pugnacious, oil-drinking masses see any difference? sustainability == green == environment == hippies..
ok then if the masses are as fickle as we know they are, they should be into the most recent fashionable things. aren't green issues the talk of the town at the moment? strike now, while its in fashion and perhaps distill some sense of responsibility into the unsustainable mind set.dirtybobby said: