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tek-monkey

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It's hard to find web sites that aren't rather EDL for my liking to provide evidence, but this one seems to provide a reasonable argument to back up my point:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
So, at odds with much of the rest of the book? It's like the one bit in the Bible that denounces gays, but is seized on as a reason by many Christians to call them ungodly. The same Christians that have tattoos, eat meat on a Friday and have sex before marriage, because they bend the religion around what they want to do.

I guess the issue here is that you see these people as actual Christians, just like you see the terrorists as actual muslims, whereas I see both as being a bunch of wankers pretending to validate their actions through erroneous and misleading religious quotes.
 

Varius

A few posts under my belt
It's hard to find web sites that aren't rather EDL for my liking to provide evidence, but this one seems to provide a reasonable argument to back up my point:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

LOL please stop quoting from online sources!!!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
OK, lets turn this all on its head a second. We live in a capitalist world, and we all live by its rules, therefore we are supporters of capitalism. Are we responsible for all actions made in the name of capitalism? And if you believe you are not, what actions are you taking to stop capitalists from causing harm?
 

Varius

A few posts under my belt
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So, at odds with much of the rest of the book? It's like the one bit in the Bible that denounces gays, but is seized on as a reason by many Christians to call them ungodly. The same Christians that have tattoos, eat meat on a Friday and have sex before marriage, because they bend the religion around what they want to do.

I guess the issue here is that you see these people as actual Christians, just like you see the terrorists as actual muslims, whereas I see both as being a bunch of wankers pretending to validate their actions through erroneous and misleading religious quotes.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE THE LORD lol.
 

Varius

A few posts under my belt
This thread has gone way off topic but just to break it down from someone who is a REAL Muslim and follows the Quran ONLY:
- Suicide is a major sin - dont know where these loony suicide bombers got they will be going to heaven when they only have a one way ticket to hell
- Murder is a sin - killing innocents no matter what their religion is, is wrong.

the rest is pretty simple: Pray 5 times a day, fast during the holy month of Ramadan, give to charity ( no doesnt have to be just to muslim charities) No alcohol, no sex before marriage and be good to your neighbours regardless of what religion they are. It really could not be further from what you get shown in the media. Good to see other staffordians on here that dont share the same views as kyoto

If my religion really was as barbaric as what the media portray then I for one would not be following it nor would 1.6 billion others in the world. I would urge anyone that has a negative perception of Islam to watch revert videos on Youtube, it will show you people from all walks of life coming into Islam for what it really is! Some even reverted to Islam after 9/11 after they researched it further. This shows that people who have a few brain cells do their research before spouting off negative assumptions
 
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tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
All religions start out by saying don't be a dick, but something always goes wrong when it starts being a method of control rather than a way of life. If you look at the general rules I'm pretty religious by most standards but an absolute atheist when you get down to the nitty gritty. Don't be a twat? On it! Only eat fish on a Friday? Go feck yourself. Most people just want a happy life, despite what the media want you to believe.
 

kyoto49

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This thread has gone way off topic but just to break it down from someone who is a REAL Muslim and follows the Quran ONLY:
- Suicide is a major sin - dont know where these loony suicide bombers got they will be going to heaven when they only have a one way ticket to hell
- Murder is a sin - killing innocents no matter what their religion is, is wrong.

the rest is pretty simple: Pray 5 times a day, fast during the holy month of Ramadan, give to charity ( no doesnt have to be just to muslim charities) No alcohol, no sex before marriage and be good to your neighbours regardless of what religion they are. It really could not be further from what you get shown in the media. Good to see other staffordians on here that dont share the same views as kyoto

If my religion really was as barbaric as what the media portray then I for one would not be following it nor would 1.6 billion others in the world. I would urge anyone that has a negative perception of Islam to watch revert videos on Youtube, it will show you people from all walks of life coming into Islam for what it really is! Some even reverted to Islam after 9/11 after they researched it further. This shows that people who have a few brain cells do their research before spouting off negative assumptions

What happens to those who leave Islam? Those who choose to have no religion in a Muslim country?
 

John Marwood

I ♥ cryptic crosswords
What happens to those who leave Islam? Those who choose to have no religion in a Muslim country?

Countries are human creations

Religions are human creations

History is a human creation or interpretation

Life is an opinion

So is a house price

Gazumping makes you deaf

All power corrupts

Behind your back
 

Varius

A few posts under my belt
What happens to those who leave Islam? Those who choose to have no religion in a Muslim country?

If the person was living in a Muslim country then death, pretty much same the reason as what is said in the old testament, Islam and Christianity are quiet similar. As for your second question I have no idea? Im sure there's plenty of people with no religion that move to Dubai and they are alive and kicking so not a lot I suppose?
 

Hetairoi

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its not religions that are the problem, its people who are clearly mentally unstable and commit horrendous crimes in the name of religion. NO religion condones killing innocent men/women/children, raping them, beheading, or burning them alive. ALL a major sin in any religion. These extremists that you talk about are not Muslims - just psychos on a mission.

Saying they are not Muslims is quite clearly untrue, whether you like it or not they are Muslims!

The Crusaders were Christians it's a fact they just have a different version to yours (hopefully).
 

Hetairoi

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They can't actually be muslims though, as what they do contradicts their own religion? So what you have is twats, the religion they pretend to associate with is irrelevant as they do not follow those religious teachings.

As do Christians that kill in the name of Christ but they are still Christians!

You can not deny that ISIS is an Islamic organisation whether they have twisted Islamic teaching or not is irrelevant!
 
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