proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Does it matter?
It's a belief they are entitled to, in the same way you are entitled to not believe.
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It's a belief they are entitled to, in the same way you are entitled to not believe.
captainpish
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Well no not really it doesnt matter at all, just curious.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Agreed, I wouldn't expect any of you to agree with some of my beliefs. The only time it's fair to question is when someone pushes that belief onto you, then it is fair game. As G said earlier though, for the vast majority only Christians do that directly.
Lucy
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What I have observed recently is that what faith does, that I can't see anything else doing, is really build community. At work we've all been out feeding the homeless with help of a Sikh organisation, and in the village I've met loads of new people by joining in something St Church. Whatever you believe, community is powerful, and it's perhaps not coincidence that in lots of places it has been lost as Church going has lessened.
Yes there is plenty of evidence and argument to say there isn't a God but there is so much of the Universe that we do not know. Are we alone in the Universe? Is there other Universes? Only 600 years ago we believed the World to be flat and that America did not exist.
What I would say is that life has too many coincidences for it to be random. Are our lives pre-destined?
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
I think it's really only Jehovahs and Mormons who do the pushing as far as most people are concerned.
If you go to the centres of Birmingham, Manchester, London etc. every bugger and his dog seems to be trying to peddle just about every type of world religion there is (and some they seem to have invented on the spot) and proclaiming that they are the one, true religion that will deliver salvation.
Some of them might be fibbing, but which one?
markpa12003
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When I first saw this thread I was bracing myself for what i might read on here but its nice to see not all people are narrow minded twats. FYI I am a Muslim woman.
Sometimes understanding something or just asking a question even though you may not agree with it at all, saves yourself from looking a bit daft.
I personally have only been to this prayer hall once as its not compulsory for a woman to go so I just do my daily prayers at home. Without going on too much Islam gave women rights over 1400 years agoI promise you we are not suffering LOL. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'm happy to answer with the little knowledge I have.
My sister married a Muslim man approximately 2 years ago and she is suffering as a result of his outdated religious beliefs and his unreasonable behaviour. Now that he has achieved his aim of obtaining a visa he has discovered that everything about this country now offends him.
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captainpish
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We are not alone in the universe that is for sure. The known universe is just a drop in the ocean. It is so vast that we cannont fully comprehend the size. There is a mathematic equation that predicts the likleyhood of another planet being just the right distance away from a sun (the goldilocks zone) to sustain life as we know it. The answer to that equation means that somewhere out there there is an almost certain possibility of a life harbouring planet existing. I do love the quote by dr ian malcolm in jurrasic park when he says "life finds a way" i think its very true. No matter how remote or the conditions on this planet there is always some life form doing its thing and getting along just fine thanks to evolution. There is for sure an unknown force at play that causes a life form to adapt subconciously and without any conciensness or effort on the part of the species.
Floss
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True it's like asking if you believe in fairies, ghosts or UFO's everyone's thoughts, opinions and experiences are different, if anyone popped up on here and said they have had a direct message from God or was abducted by aliens, they would probably have to defend what they had experienced because people would question it anyway. Each to their own I say.
kyoto49
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This hijacking of anything that is done for the good of others by religious groups really pisses me off. Don't get me wrong, if your group of believers do something good for others that's really good, well done. But please don;t sit on your pedestal thinking that non-believers do nothing for community. They do, alot, they just don't tell the world about it as some sort of justification of their beliefs, they just quietly do kindnesses for kindnesses sake. And please don't think that there is some link between religious dogooders and better community. Community is indeed very powerful, but if you look around the world religion is the bggest destructor of community we have ever had, second only to Margaret Thatcher
kyoto49
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Please don't take this wrongly, you sound like a good person, but I really really think you should find out more about your religion, because the following is not some of my own opinion but is the day to day reality for million and millions of Muslims. It's factual evidence enshrined in the law of numerous Islamic countries. Because Western democratic tolerance allows Muslims in the West to live how they feel is best for them it seems Muslim countires across the globe do not confer the same tolerance to their own populations.
Here is the answer to my questions:
"Muslims are not free to change religion or become an atheist: denying Islam and thus becoming an apostate is traditionally punished by death for men and by life imprisonment for women. The death penalty for apostasy is apparent in a range of Islamic states including: Iran,[100][101] Egypt,[102] Pakistan,[102] Somalia,[103] United Arab Emirates,[104] Qatar,[105] Yemen[105] and Saudi Arabia.[102] Although there have been no recently reported executions in Saudi Arabia,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Wikipedia eh.....
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
That is true from what I have experienced over the years.
This hijacking of anything that is done for the good of others by religious groups really pisses me off. Don't get me wrong, if your group of believers do something good for others that's really good, well done. But please don;t sit on your pedestal thinking that non-believers do nothing for community. They do, alot, they just don't tell the world about it as some sort of justification of their beliefs, they just quietly do kindnesses for kindnesses sake. And please don't think that there is some link between religious dogooders and better community. Community is indeed very powerful, but if you look around the world religion is the bggest destructor of community we have ever had, second only to Margaret Thatcher
Sorry, but that is utter bollocks.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Wanted to 'like' that more than once.Wikipedia eh.....
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
This hijacking of anything that is done for the good of others by religious groups really pisses me off. Don't get me wrong, if your group of believers do something good for others that's really good, well done. But please don;t sit on your pedestal thinking that non-believers do nothing for community. They do, alot, they just don't tell the world about it as some sort of justification of their beliefs, they just quietly do kindnesses for kindnesses sake. And please don't think that there is some link between religious dogooders and better community. Community is indeed very powerful, but if you look around the world religion is the bggest destructor of community we have ever had, second only to Margaret Thatcher
The media reports what the sheep will read, online especially as views = ad revenue. Nobody clicks on the article called "nice people help out", so it doesn't get promoted as much and henceforth doesn't appear on facebook. I very much doubt these people did this to get recognised, they did it because they weren't dicks, its the media that is offending you not the actions of the people involved.
You think these bikers did it out of compassion or because they wanted you to accept their lifestyle?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-floods-..._2015_0815&tm_keyword=0CG8jKerFGjCCzluhvP6JNg
Lucy
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This hijacking of anything that is done for the good of others by religious groups really pisses me off. Don't get me wrong, if your group of believers do something good for others that's really good, well done. But please don;t sit on your pedestal thinking that non-believers do nothing for community. They do, alot, they just don't tell the world about it as some sort of justification of their beliefs, they just quietly do kindnesses for kindnesses sake. And please don't think that there is some link between religious dogooders and better community. Community is indeed very powerful, but if you look around the world religion is the bggest destructor of community we have ever had, second only to Margaret Thatcher
If you'd have actually read what I'd written earlier you would have noticed I said I was a non-believer, so I don't think I'm the one that needs to get off my pedestal.
You are obviously very bitter about something that's linked to religion, given the words you continually choose to use. It's sad.
Carole
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Community is indeed very powerful, but if you look around the world religion is the bggest destructor of community we have ever had, second only to Margaret Thatcher
What a ridiculous statement.
Please give me an example of where a thriving community has been destroyed by religion?
Do we know kyoto49 is female?