Bring Burger King to Stafford

[tek-monkey]

I wont eat in most of these places, maybe the odd KFC but that really is a 2 or 3 times a year thing. Mind you I only ate a bag of crisps yesterday and nowt so far today, so I'm not really healthy either!

As for the chronic obesity bit, thats personal choice. If you want to be a big fat heiffer that makes the ground shake when you walk, is it really the place of the government to tell you not to? Why is it people blame the companies selling the stuff, rather than the lardarse that would eat their own grandmother if they thought it'd taste nice? No wonder people take no personal responsibility nowadays, they think if they shouldn't do something legislation would be put in place to stop them. What happened to the good old fashioned method of taking the **** out of the fat kids like we used to? Were a lot less fat kids before it became acceptable by society to be morbidly obese at 12.

Sorry, rant mode disengaged. I just think people should man up and take responsibility for their own lives, but looking at society today I see that is near impossible.

 

[AA Silencers]

I always wondered why burger emporiums couldn't do the same as bar staff could when a drunk person tried to order another beer. 'I'm sorry mate, I think you've had enough already'.

 

[tek-monkey]

That'd be great, have a large set of weighing scales at the counter that says what you can eat. Sorry chubby, its salad only for you!

 

[Hothouse Flower]

While I agree with everything in moderation....as in the odd burger won't do you any harm, I do despair about people campaigning for a burger king.

We already have numerous takeaways, MacDonalds, KFC, subway etc, why do we need more?

I would much rather have lovely little restaurants and cafes rather than numerous chains of junk food shops.

Stafford is already in danger of becoming rather tacky, indeed the reason we are not getting a John Lewis is because we are not seen to be a town that would appreciate or could afford it.

Anyway, how much junk food do you really need?

 

[grumpystaffordguy]

I'd rather not have the temptation to be honest. I drive past KFC and McD's every day, but I know I'd get lured in to BK. I'm weak!

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

While I agree with everything in moderation....as in the odd burger won't do you any harm, I do despair about people campaigning for a burger king.

We already have numerous takeaways, MacDonalds, KFC, subway etc, why do we need more?

I would much rather have lovely little restaurants and cafes rather than numerous chains of junk food shops.

Stafford is already in danger of becoming rather tacky, indeed the reason we are not getting a John Lewis is because we are not seen to be a town that would appreciate or could afford it.

Anyway, how much junk food do you really need?

I agree entirely with this post from Hothouse Flower. It isn't about trying to control what people eat (although you could argue that when you look around some could clearly benefit from being told to put the pasty down) it is about responding to the thread "Bring Burger King to Stafford" which I categorically disagree with purely on the basis that we have enough take away fast food rubbish places and don't need another one.
If a Burger King were to open then fair enough, I would wish it luck if only for the people that it would employ but personally I wouldn't go near the place in the same way as I would step inside KFC, McD's (unless it is to use the toilet) or any of the rest. There is plenty of local choice in Stafford that offers better quality food and often for similar value and so why anyone would want to queue up amongst McD's detritus is beyond me. Eat local and support local businesses - not faceless Corporations.

 

[Gareth]

Stafford is already in danger of becoming rather tacky, indeed the reason we are not getting a John Lewis is because we are not seen to be a town that would appreciate or could afford it.

Where on earth do you get that from. Back in 2006 John Lewis made enquiries into locating at Stafford, I was involved in a consultation undertaken by themselves, even a rep from SBC were involved. The remit was to look into footfall, high street named representation, potential impact from other towns, Telford, Stoke etc etc.

John Lewis was looking for a store in Staffordshire and pinointed provisionly Stafford as a store had closed a store in 1998 at the Potteries.

A long story short, Stafford was deemed to small to harness a John Lewis with a lack of brand names on the highstreet (they also wanted to remove buildings), Stafford did not meet what they required and due to it's location is was unlikely to attract much interest from outside of the town and we are not talking Stone here. Stafford was deemed to closed off and as John Lewis would be the biggst name by far in the town, it was a fact people wouldn't travel from outside Stafford from the likes of Wolverhampton and Stoke and neither could they afford to do so, for that alone the main core was just Stafford people, it wasn't enough for them. They pinpointed 3 locations which all were problematic at the time, it just wasn't viable for them.

Well I cannot say anymore, just watch this space over the next year or so. LXB are working very hard are there is some top notch interest in the town




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[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

"Stafford is already in danger of becoming rather tacky, indeed the reason we are not getting a John Lewis is because we are not seen to be a town that would appreciate or could afford it."

Where on earth do you get that from. Back in 2006 John Lewis made enquiries into locating at Stafford, I was involved in a consultation undertaken by themselves, even a rep from SBC were involved. The remit was to look into footfall, high street named representation, potential impact from other towns, Telford, Stoke etc etc.

John Lewis was looking for a store in Staffordshire and pinointed provisionly Stafford as a store had closed a store in 1998 at the Potteries.

A long story short, Stafford was deemed to small to harness a John Lewis with a lack of brand names on the highstreet (they also wanted to remove buildings), Stafford did not meet what they required and due to it's location is was unlikely to attract much interest from outside of the town and we are not talking Stone here. Stafford was deemed to closed off and as John Lewis would be the biggst name by far in the town, it was a fact people wouldn't travel from outside Stafford from the likes of Wolverhampton and Stoke and neither could they afford to do so, for that alone the main core was just Stafford people, it wasn't enough for them. They pinpointed 3 locations which all were problematic at the time, it just wasn't viable for them.

Well I cannot say anymore, just watch this space over the next year or so. LXB are working very hard are there is some top notch interest in the town

And John Lewis went to Ventura Park in Tamworth I believe, perhaps because of the Lichfield influence? It couldn't just be because of Tamworth because it is certainly no bigger than Stafford - it does crutially perhaps have a much better road system than the County Town because of the A5 by pass. Perhaps our prehistoric road infrastructure was a factor?

 

[Hothouse Flower]

"Stafford is already in danger of becoming rather tacky, indeed the reason we are not getting a John Lewis is because we are not seen to be a town that would appreciate or could afford it."

Where on earth do you get that from. Back in 2006 John Lewis made enquiries into locating at Stafford,

John Lewis was looking for a store in Staffordshire and pinointed provisionly Stafford as a store had closed a store in 1998 at the Potteries.



A long story short, Stafford was deemed to small to harness a John Lewis with a lack of brand names on the highstreet (they also wanted to remove buildings), Stafford did not meet what they required and due to it's location is was unlikely to attract much interest from outside of the town and we are not talking Stone here. Stafford was deemed to closed off and as John Lewis would be the biggst name by far in the town, it was a fact people wouldn't travel from outside Stafford from the likes of Wolverhampton and Stoke and neither could they afford to do so, for that alone the main core was just Stafford people, it wasn't enough for them. They pinpointed 3 locations which all were problematic at the time, it just wasn't viable for them.

Well I cannot say anymore, just watch this space over the next year or so. LXB are working very hard are there is some top notch interest in the town

 

[Withnail]

Second time today.

I'm still wondering what Johnny-come-lately(?) was trying to say with his answerless quote - he's usually got something good to say.

@ Hothouse Flower - 5 minutes, tick-tock...

 

[Hothouse Flower]

Gareth, in your own words your info is already 6 years out of date.

My husband was at a conference a few weeks ago where he got into a short conversation with the head honcho from John lewis.

My hubbie commented that I was disappointed that after all the speculation we were not after all getting a John Lewis in Stafford.

The reply was that we were never getting one as Stafford was not the sort of place that they would consider.

An off the cuff remark , and yes my hubby did defend Stafford and ask him whether he himself had actually been to Stafford.

 

[Gadget]

Someone open a fast food restaurant then who sells these healthy foods at the same kind of prices that you can get a mcd's etc for. Maybe it will give folk more incentive to eat it. The only places you can buy a salad or the like is a proper eatery with the price tag to boot. Most people won't pay £8 for a salad i bloody well won't esp when the portion is crap and they insist on putting crap on it (dressing). I don't think these places if they did get opened would last for long.
Personal responsibility is paramount. You cannot force people to eat healthy, nor should you. Encourage yes but legislate to enforce? Errr no.
Remember whilst slating the fast food places that they have made big changes in the way they do stuff and their products with plenty of healthier/healthy options thrown in besides. At least they try.

Back on topic though, Stafford might not need a BK but a lot of folk want one. You want more business and money to come to Stafford? Then give people what they want (within reason) Stafford really, really doesn't need another coffee shop or phone shop. Bet it gets one though....
Gx

 

[tek-monkey]

Back on topic though, Stafford might not need a BK but a lot of folk want one. You want more business and money to come to Stafford? Then give people what they want (within reason) Stafford really, really doesn't need another coffee shop or phone shop. Bet it gets one though....
Gx

But coffee shops, phone shops and charity shops make up alarge percentage of the shops we have in town, so they must be making money. Therefore we should open more, have we learnt nothing from Frogstar B?

 

[Gramaisc]

I hear what you're saying..

 

[Gareth]

The info is 6 years out of date I agree and I for one would be surprised if anyone would use that now, in fact it would be poorly advised for good or bad. But it was data with facts and outcome and not a possible random off the cuff comment (as you rightly mention) made by someone who may or may not have ever stepped foot in Stafford or even know where it is. Heads/ CEOs half the time do not know what is going in their companies, simply because there are other people to look after such aspects. But I cannot say anymore except to watch this space, if all if all goes rather swimmingly.

Tamworth John Lewis is a very good example used, it has access to a whole range of towns/ cities in it grasp that Stafford does not as it primarily cut off. In the same mile radius (I cannot remember approximately 14 miles, I will check) Stafford has access to Stone, Cannock, Lichfield and almost the bounderies of Walsall, Wolverhampton and Stoke. Tamworth has Sutton, Lichfield, Cannock, Walsall, Birmingham, Atherstone,West Brom (boundary maybe), outrageously easy access from Nuneaton and borderline Hinckley, with not that much no-mans land in thsoe areas, it is all relative.

The comment about transport links is well made by a previous postee, many comments have been made on this forum by Stafford residents and I cannot state how important location, location, location is to these companies especially in such smaller towns. Larger companies/ organisations do not care all that much about town centres hence why more and more edge of the town and city retail parks are being built, this makes Tamworth more brand name friendly in retail terms.

A point also worth to note is not to believe anything you believe in the press or what the councils are projecting (yet) about flag ship stores and LXB at this time. Nothing at all has been set in stone and there are big questions that need answering, most may already know that Morrisons is the only signed contract of pushing 20 years.

 

[Wolfenrook]

A simple solution, close 1 of the McUpchucks (oh, and I have been known to throw up after eating McDonald's 'Big Tasty' burgers. I tend to stick to quarter pounders or chicken nuggets if I have to eat in there now) and replace it with a BK.

Incidentally, I had a summer job in the BK on Yarnfield Park services once. The food is cooked on the premises, so not sure where that ninny got the idea it was cooked off sight and delivered ready cooked? lol. The salad is all prepared in the morning before opening and kept refrigerated until needed. The burgers are raw and frozen, and then cooked in a FLAME BROILER, allowing far more fat to leave the burger, and giving a far better flavour than those weird flat things McUpchucks serve.

Seriously, I'd seriously rather eat a BK burger than that garbage McDs serve as a burger. BK have STANDARDS (seriously, the staff are all trained with them, as in US military style standards), McD just have lower prices for nastier food.

As to Wimpy, if they had been any good they would have survived.

So, anybody fancy a Starburger in Stafford? lol

Ade

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

A point also worth to note is not to believe anything you believe in the press or what the councils are projecting (yet) about flag ship stores and LXB at this time. Nothing at all has been set in stone and there are big questions that need answering, most may already know that Morrisons is the only signed contract of pushing 20 years.

A round about sort of way of saying that the proposed M&S development of Riverway stands somewhere between no hope and Bob Hope in terms of likely actually coming to fruition....?

 

[tek-monkey]

Was just thinking the same, I thought the M&S deal was fairly concrete?

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

Was just thinking the same, I thought the M&S deal was fairly concrete?

As per Gareth above my understanding was that nothing has actually been signed and sealed on this one. When you consider that M&S released some slightly shaky quarterlys recently it surely casts a shadow on this sort of epic, expensive development - but fear not all will be saved, all that Stafford needs is a Burger King and everything will be hunky dory

 

[Wolfenrook]

To be perfectly blunt, I couldn't give a hoot about Stafford. The place is 80% a shed hole, and most of the locals are rude ignorant yobs from our experience (note I said most, not all, I know some of you folks are the exceptions to prove the rule). The place deserves to fade off the map, along with Cannock. The reason mobile phone stores do so well is you have a big population of chav/yob types there who change their phone more often than they change their underwear.

There are however some really good places I will miss there, eg. The Sun Inn. Overall though stafford is a town of yobs that thinks it's something posh when it really isn't.

I do however like a nice Burger King and think they are the best of the bunch. The only reason McDs won against them is their silly low prices, as the food is frankly rubbish. I like KFC too, but it's different food. I don't go to a burger place for chicken and I don't go to KFC for beef. Wimpy were pathetic and overpriced (yes I actually remember them well).

End of the day people are entitled to chose where and what they eat. Anybody who doesn't like this, well I could care less about their opinion if I tried really hard perhaps.

Ade