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Coronavirus.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tilly, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. BobClay

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    The problem with these 'journalistic' sites (and I'm being f****** polite to that trade on this one) is that they look for advertising above all else, go to the site and see for yourself.) To them, it's all about money. How can we frighten people and extract money in the process. Nothing else counts.

    Journalism, I've shit it. (And on a minor scale I'll admit, I've done some trade in that business.)
     
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    littleme 250,000th poster!

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    It wasn't in the Mirror, but I can't remember where it was, I'm just disgusted to think that people have to be told to wash their hands with soap and water.....
     
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    Does licking your hands count as washing them like after you've had lovely KFC or chips from the chippy? Just asking for friend:lol:
     
  4. BobClay

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    Probably why I haven't taken a newspaper in what is now decades. They've long been the opinionated views of the proprietors (most of them Murdoch like shitheads.) I pretty much rely on the BBC for my news these days, after all, there isn't much else of choice. And I like to think there's still some honour in the BEEB, although I know Boris and his cronies are targeting that. Still, while it's going I'll watch it, left, right, middle of the road, they keep going for it, and despite its faults it's generally speaking tried to remain independent of government control, sometimes beyond the pale.

    Good on em I say,

    It'll be missed if Cummings/Boris have their way.
     
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    They just drag their hands along the floor around here , some just lick windows :rofl:
     
  6. Noah

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    Covid is not a flu virus. It is a coronavirus like SARS & MERS and they are not more prevalent in cold weather, the main MERS outbreak in Saudi Arabia occurred in temperatures of 40 degrees C. Influenza viruses are completely different and belong to the Orthomyxoviridae group of viruses.

    Until about 2005 the shortest time it took to develop a vaccine was 10 years. Since then two vaccines for Ebola have been produced and the development only took 5 years, however both are still regarded as experimental. Don't hold your breath.
     
  7. Hans

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    There will be a vaccine by early next year. As for the rest... We will see..
     
  9. Hans

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    A 'corona virus' is any virus that effects the respiratory system. It is linked with flu due to pneumonia. The one virus that is most researched due to it being the highest risk for pandemic is Corona. This is the reason tests on people have already been able to begin as they have years of research already done should a new Corona virus start. The clue is partly in the title as it's not covid1. There are many strains of covid but this is higher risk and mortality due to the airborne spread and the main thing being that the pneumonia it creates is a sticky liquid on the lungs not a fluid one. The vaccine is coming but I fear it won't be here soon enough to prevent a lockdown in December. Let's hope I'm wrong.
     
  10. proactive

    proactive Behind you with a big stick!

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    It's called Covid19 because it was discovered in 2019.
     
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  11. Noah

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    No, a corona virus is a specific type of RNA virus and named because of its shape, it is completely unrelated to the influenza viruses. Pneumonia is an inflammation of the lungs and with both covid 19 & influenza is usually a secondary bacterial infection.
     
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    That must make it the first Corona virus then? My bad, but thanks for correcting me @proactive but I must concede you are exactly right there :) my point still remains... November December are the risk months not because it's flu but because it's airborne and more people sneeze and have a common cold at this time of year which is why flu jabs are set for the tail end of the year and not February. I can only hope that there is no 2nd peak before a vaccine is found and at best guess the vaccine won't be available to public until February at the earliest. My thoughts are not scientific as I'm sure you've already worked out but I am a pattern and numbers man. The rebound from this virus is potentially 2 fold 1 at the end of this year /start of next year the other is about 8-10 years when we have pressumed that the vaccine has worked and it mutates. I must (although am pretty sure it's obvious) stress that this is purely my own speculation and concerns.
     
  13. Hans

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    Noah I live learning things so thank you :) do you happen to know how many Corona viruses there are to date? And is covid19 the only Corona virus that fills your lungs with treacle rather than fluid? ( And I must stress I do not want to sound sarcastic as it's not my style) and no my Google buttons not broke :)
     
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    Not to hand but I recall reading as such
     
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    "The NHS has kept its promise to share the source code for the UK contact tracing app, placing both the code and documentation onto Github."
     
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    There are at least four coronaviruses that are currently endemic, they account for something like 70-80% of what are called 'common' colds.

    There is no vaccine developed against them, mainly because they don't kill anyone - even the most dire 'man-flu' tends to result in recovery... - and it makes sense to direct your fire at things that are actually probably definitely going to kill you. Sadly, the other reason is that it appears to be incredibly difficult to do - bear in mind that the 'common' cold is estimated to cost $$$ in lost productivity every year so it's not like it's entirely without economic worth to 'fix' it - so don't expect this one to be any easier than any of the others.

    There have been some interesting developments very recently, but 'rushing things' in a pharmaceutical context means making it five years rather than ten - and 'it' might mean little more than a percentage lessening of probable outcomes in an ICU - this is not anything like a short-cut.

    Tl;dr - don't get your hopes up too soon, but don't get rid of them altogether
     
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    Also, if you find yourself dealing with a metaphorical 'Kevin' - who failed GCSE Environmental Science, but is now telling you that you are somehow 'not doing your own research' -

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20061440v1

    I'd be intrigued to hear either a metaphorical Kevin, or Karen, rebuttal, based on his/her own research in this field.

    Maybe there is an opportunity for our own Homeopaths to 'step up' to the plate?

    No?
     
  19. Carole

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    To be even more specific

    CO VI D 19

    CO Stands for Corona
    VI Stands for Virus
    D Stands for disease
    19. Stands for 2019 the year it was discovered.
     
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    No. There are a large number which infect animals but I don't really know how many. There are, as @Withnaill says 4 which cause cold like symptoms. Since these were discovered there have been more coronavirus found in humans with names that trip off the tongue - SARS-CoV in 2003, HCoV NL63 in 2004, HCoV HKU1 in 2005, MERS-CoV in 2012, and SARS-CoV-2 in 2019. The nasty ones are SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 (causing SARS, MERS and Covid-19 respectively) all three cause inflamation and congestion of the lung.
    The problem is that as humans increase the pressure on the environment they come into increasing contact with infected animals and the viruses get the opportunity to jump from animal to man. Not just coronavirus, think things like AIDS, Ebola etc.
     
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