American Presidential Election

hop

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The challenge for politicians of all countries is how these advancements can be utilised to benefit people and what can be done to replace the loss of jobs. And that is where the UK and US governments have failed over the past 40 years that has seen de industrialisation and closure of the coal industry. Not enough has been done to regenerate the 'rust belt' towns which has led to the feeling that they have been forgotten.

Unfortunalty redevelopment and regeneration schemes mostly take the form of grants and tax incentives and fail to deliver. However nothing can be seen in isolation. We live in a developed nation with a high stand of living and comparatively high wages. Due to high wages many business ideas are simply not viable in this country, a man in china may work for $1 an hour but someone in the developed world requires a higher rate of pay for the same task due to living costs.
So how can this issue of living standards be addressed ? How can a developed nation compete on a level playing field with a developing nation ? So far we haven't been able to compete, at least not an a level playing field.
To compete we have instead introduced things such as regulations, quality standards and the like. Via the legal system and making the cost of entry to new entrants high, places like the EU have been able to maintain their industries and businesses which would otherwise have long gone.
However such barriers also make it difficult for entrants in developed nations, coupled with the high cost of production in the west and a general consumer mentality of wanting the lowest price.

The same issue with price is evident in the service and hospitality sector where many shops have been lost due to online offerings.

The brexiteer approach to such issues seems to be point towards a bonfire of regulations. Rather than increasing competiviness this would actually reduce the barriers of entry and allow our markets to be flooded with cheap poor quality imports and further decimate our businesses.

Perhaps a better approach would be to assist in collaboration and encourage companies to form joint ventures and engage in partnerships.
In addition much higher levels of education are required and more practical education.
Maybe we should be encouraging universities to form joint ventures with local companies.
Perhaps rather than judging the success of an educational establishment on academic attainment or the number of papers published by professors we should focus on how many companies they seed.
Maybe universities should allow the use of their facilities, laboratories, tools and machinery for a small monthly fee without requiring someone sign up for a course. Effectively every area would now have multiple hacker spaces with outstanding facilities to facilitate innovation.
We also need to public and media to stop resenting success and to encourage people to aspire towards success.
 
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1JKz

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Let's be honest though, the day would hardly have started with much of a rosey glow had Clinton been elected either.
People would have pretended to understand what had happened that little bit more though imo, and the news would have died down a little quicker (1 week instead of the one month we'll be/we're having), i feel.
Not sure how or why, but i haven't been sure of either of those, since the end of June.
Agreed?
 

1JKz

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I went to be bed last night believing the pollsters (and missing out on some very good betting opportunities) and was shocked when I got up at 5 this morning. But within a few hours I started to understand the result. An American posted on the Guardian website to try and explain the hatred of Clinton's bid to become President by so many Americans. He compared it too the reaction in this country if Cherie Blair wanted to become Prime Minister.
We had a conversation at work on Monday on who we would vote for if we had the vote. I said that Clinton was the least worse option of the two, but it then dawned on that was an opinion of an outsider looking in and if we were sitting in an American factory most of us would be voting Trump just like most us voted to leave in the EU referendum.
Just like in the referendum, working class people in neglected areas turned out in huge numbers to vote against a professional political class who they feel has ignored them, patronised them and insulted them.
Saying that 'Sticking it to The Man' (as they like to say in America) by voting for 'The Man' seems a bit odd to me!
https://www.bustle.com/articles/193...tion-low-voter-turnout-remains-a-huge-problem
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
People would have pretended to understand what had happened that little bit more though imo, and the news would have died down a little quicker (1 week instead of the one month we'll be/we're having), i feel.
Not sure how or why, but i haven't been sure of either of those, since the end of June.
Agreed?
That's a fair point.

I was more alluding to the disaster that either of them would have been once in office from a 'world' point of view.

Having the Leader Of The Western World as either a psycho or an out and out crook cannot be a good thing for the planet.

Mind you, Obama appears to be neither and he has been a dismal failure as well.
 

1JKz

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Aslong as Superman doesn't fly around the planet (tuther way round ta wot it spins), we'll all be OK.

No one owns that bright big star in the sky, so until that thing disappears, we should be fine and almost dandy.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
231,556,622 eligible voters
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump
46.9% didn't vote

Trump 59,046,660
Clinton 59,186,057

Allegedly.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
231,556,622 eligible voters
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump
46.9% didn't vote

Trump 59,046,660
Clinton 59,186,057

Allegedly.
Isn't that percentage of non-voters similar to the UK?

I do wonder if it is about time to make voting compulsory.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
I just find it odd that you could win a head-to-head vote (discounting the no-hopers) by getting fewer votes than your opponent, but by getting those votes in the 'right place'.
That's the American way! It's bizarre. FPTP may not be perfect but it usually means most votes wins but for America it doesn't.
 

1JKz

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And your reasons against?
Amongst many reasons why i'd be against your making of voting being compulsory; Freedom of choice, high chance of yet more ill-informed voting, wasted man hours and money dishing out fines (if that's the route you'd take) to those that refused to vote and because i said so.
 

John Marwood

I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Amongst many reasons why i'd be against your making of voting being compulsory; Freedom of choice, high chance of yet more ill-informed voting, wasted man hours and money dishing out fines (if that's the route you'd take) to those that refused to vote and because i said so.


Alternatively

Pay people to vote

But

You need to get 2 out of 3 random general knowledge current affairs questions right first to do so

£20.18p
 
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