Coronavirus.

SketchyMagpie

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Strip everything back year after year, spend billions on failed emergency facilities and tracking systems and then tell us they can’t afford to re-open wards and services? And you blame a virus and accuse me of ignoring what’s going on!
You muppet!! You conveniently visioned fool!
I'll pass on your well wishes to my nan, shall I?
 

gilbert grape

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I'll pass on your well wishes to my nan, shall I?
Please feel free to as it's people I care about, hence feeling so strongly about the system being constantly crushed and leaving us short!
For the record, I've been in that system since 1979 and watched it being dismantled!
 

Lucy

Well-Known Forumite
So you've been in the system since 1979 and you are blaming covid for its dismantling? We all know it's being dismantled by stealth, it was always the Tories plans, it happened long before the pandemic, they always wanted to privatise it. Having been massively underfunded is it any surprise that when letting a pandemic run amok through the few clinical staff that remain has caused issues?
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Strip everything back year after year, spend billions on failed emergency facilities and tracking systems and then tell us they can’t afford to re-open wards and services? And you blame a virus and accuse me of ignoring what’s going on!
You muppet!! You conveniently visioned fool!
If you haven't seen that it's been stripped back over a much longer period, in general with the whole outsourcing bollocks but specifically over the last 10 years under the guise of austerity, and are now blaming covid for it, then TBH you aint too clever. But then you can never substantiate a single thing you say so why would I be surprised?

Before brexit did you blame it on immigrants? I hope you've never voted tory!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
You're going out of your way to have a pop. Brave man! Grow up.
He calls a spade a spade? It's called a forum, communication goes both ways, and you just called us all both fools and muppets despite the fact you can't back up a single thing you say, so whats your problem? You can 'have a pop' but we can't?

You ever read up on radicalisation? You find a trigger, something that makes a person angry, and you work that angle to convince a person that your target is responsible. You keep feeding them 'evidence' to wind them up to breaking point before you unleash them. The Capitol riot in the US is a good example, did you see the people that got arrested for that? A very odd cross section of the country, albeit all right wing, convinced of bogeymen everywhere and primed up ready to be released. It's a great way to get deeds done without dirty hands.

I notice none of your ire is towards the people that caused the issues, and instead is towards the people that follow the medical advice. Why is this? The blame is obvious, we have underfunded the NHS, but the evidence is there for all to see that it was underfunded pre-covid too. All the money that went missing to tory mates wasn't NHS money, it was our taxes, so the NHS didn't lose that. What you are seeing is how our NHS performs under pressure under current funding, no money is diverted for test and trace thats a whole separate theft of our countries wealth, you are seeing the results of a pandemic in a country where nobody wants to train as a nurse anymore, where we have to import staff (but brexit means we can't easily). You are angry at people for daring to be ill but not at the people that stole all the money, why?
 

SketchyMagpie

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Due to the hospital having many of the staff off with covid
And you blame a virus
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gilbert grape

Well-Known Forumite
So you've been in the system since 1979 and you are blaming covid for its dismantling? We all know it's being dismantled by stealth, it was always the Tories plans, it happened long before the pandemic, they always wanted to privatise it. Having been massively underfunded is it any surprise that when letting a pandemic run amok through the few clinical staff that remain has caused issues?
How the hell do you get that conclusion from what I said? Talk about manipulation of a narrative! Blaming covid for it's dismantling? Cuckoo!!!!
 

gilbert grape

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Nice little clique of about half a dozen on here that take something and make it sound like what they believe.
I didn't blame Covid for the NHS collapsing. It's a constant cutting and outsourcing of services that meant things were already struggling before March 2020. Covid just gave people that ice excuse of "because of covid" to cut, delay and divert everything including relocation of services.

As for questioning me on immigrants of voting Tory - that's pure troll material, as is saying I'm not too clever when you have zero ability to shift your paradigm or welcome alternative views!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
You really do have your head up your own arris don't you! Blame covid sufferers? Show me an example!
You constantly complain about waiting times, and blame the NHS problems on covid. As so many beds are taken by covid sufferers, and as I've pointed out many times but you ignore the average covid sufferer blocks a bed for 3x longer than the average hospital admission, what do you think is increasing the waiting times if not the people in hospital?

Although the crux of the matter seems to be you think you are more important than people with covid and should get treatment regardless of them being ill, but that goes back to the chronic underfunding of the NHS particularly over the last 10 years and you refuse to acknowledge this and insist it is the fault of covid restrictions.

Even if covid restrictions do not work at all we'd still have the same number of people in hospital, how would that help you get the treatment you think you deserve over them?
 

gilbert grape

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Really? So what are you blaming the NHS waiting times on?
As i've said in plan English, constant cuts over a period time and putting profit first. "We're not privatising anything" followed by getting letters for appointments with names of companies on them. All of that and the amount of closed wards and shifted services meant covid, or anything else, coming along was going to put immense pressure on every part of the structure. Add only doing certain things if they make a profit and it's a recipe for disaster.
I recently walked into an empty Wednesfield eye clinic for a 5 minute appointment and when I said "that was worth a 45 mile round trip" they were mystified as to why I wasn't seen elsewhere, especially when I said they were over run. Reduced services on top of utterly ridiculous social distancing rules have, and will, count for more lives than covid as well as creating longer lists.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
As i've said in plan English, constant cuts over a period time and putting profit first. "We're not privatising anything" followed by getting letters for appointments with names of companies on them. All of that and the amount of closed wards and shifted services meant covid, or anything else, coming along was going to put immense pressure on every part of the structure. Add only doing certain things if they make a profit and it's a recipe for disaster.
I recently walked into an empty Wednesfield eye clinic for a 5 minute appointment and when I said "that was worth a 45 mile round trip" they were mystified as to why I wasn't seen elsewhere, especially when I said they were over run. Reduced services on top of utterly ridiculous social distancing rules have, and will, count for more lives than covid as well as creating longer lists.
So how is social distancing reducing the appointments available? Not that I see any restrictions anymore, but when they were in place they were just much stricter about you only turning up for your slot not sat around, they taped off chairs in waiting rooms etc. but again there were less people in so it didn't matter.

All the other issues are government ones, and most of this forum would agree entirely that they're a bunch of thieving arseholes, but if your issue is social distancing is causing the backlog I have to disagree and say the sheer number of people ill is causing it. Every person getting covid treatment is 3 other treatments missed, thats 3 people now relying on local services to get by because the hospital services are not available. Social distancing is not the problem, the NHS not being able to cope with the number of sick people is.
 

gilbert grape

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So how is social distancing reducing the appointments available? Not that I see any restrictions anymore, but when they were in place they were just much stricter about you only turning up for your slot not sat around, they taped off chairs in waiting rooms etc. but again there were less people in so it didn't matter.

All the other issues are government ones, and most of this forum would agree entirely that they're a bunch of thieving arseholes, but if your issue is social distancing is causing the backlog I have to disagree and say the sheer number of people ill is causing it. Every person getting covid treatment is 3 other treatments missed, thats 3 people now relying on local services to get by because the hospital services are not available. Social distancing is not the problem, the NHS not being able to cope with the number of sick people is.
It's the time spacing as well as physical distancing. If masks worked, why would you still need loads of empty seats and 2 metre distancing?
They've used this whole period to minimise services and use covid as an excuse to crush things even further. If they really wanted to improve things, why do they continue to restrict services at out own hospital and push us elsewhere while using the excuse of services now being under other authorities? Without covid they would still be cutting. With covid they are using it as an excuse to accelerate things.
Wilfully accepting everything you are told to do rather than questioning things that seem wrong lets people trample all over you. When the WHO treaty comes in, loads of those who pipe up with "it's for our own good" will be in a rage when they get restricted yet again! So called experts talking down to people with "Don't you know how things work?" will be increasingly likely to get a bloody nose.
 
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