Question for vegitarians - would you eat haggis?

[tek-monkey]

Serious question. I understand the ethics of not wanting animals killed for food, but what about foods that are a byproduct and animals are never killed for? Are animals ever killed for offal, or blood? And if not then why not eat those products?

 

[db]

Serious question. I understand the ethics of not wanting animals killed for food, but what about foods that are a byproduct and animals are never killed for? Are animals ever killed for offal, or blood? And if not then why not eat those products?

what a bizarre question.. of course vegetarians wouldn't eat haggis! lol.. not least because, even if that wasn't the primary reason for killing, animals were still killed in the process..

 

[tek-monkey]

But they're already dead, and if the offal isn't eaten it goes to waste. So its not like eating it has any impact on the life of the animal.

 

[db]

But they're already dead, and if the offal isn't eaten it goes to waste. So its not like eating it has any impact on the life of the animal.

i don't think you understand vegetarianism.. monquey is a veggie, i think, so he may be able to explain this better than i can..

the point is, an animal has died.. don't try to excuse it or justify it, you will fail.. an animal has died, the consumer does not know the circumstances surrounding its death, so it will not be eaten.. end of story..

edit: i realise vegetarians are not all the same.. some don't eat meat because they object to the treatment of animals, some just don't like the taste, some object to certain practices so will eat things where they have strict knowledge of the source, etc.. i am simply talking from the perspective of what i understand to be your run-of-the-mill "please don't hurt the little animals" veggie!

 

[cookie_monster]

Serious question. I understand the ethics of not wanting animals killed for food, but what about foods that are a byproduct and animals are never killed for? Are animals ever killed for offal, or blood? And if not then why not eat those products?

i think i see where youre going with this.....watse not want not- i think.

leather is the by-product of beef.....therefore if youre unhappy about the cowsy-wowsy being killed you shouldnt wear leather products.

however, a nice warm artic fox pelt is just a pelt and the meat is the by-product which is probably just left for carrion.....therefore its wrong to wear the fur because its a waste fo the animals life.

but, if youre going to wear the leather, eat the steak, use the carcass for glue.....then whats wrong with a bit of black pudding?


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[tek-monkey]

i think i see where youre going with this.....watse not want not- i think.

leather is the by-product of beef.....therefore if youre unhappy about the cowsy-wowsy being killed you shouldnt wear leather products.

however, a nice warm artic fox pelt is just a pelt and the meat is the by-product which is probably just left for carrion.....therefore its wrong to wear the fur because its a waste fo the animals life.

but, if youre going to wear the leather, eat the steak, use the carcass for glue.....then whats wrong with a bit of black pudding?


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Yup, thats what I was getting at just more eloquently put! If your actions have no impact on the animal any more, whats the big deal? If its a case of eat it or chuck it, isn't it better that more of the animal is used?

And why do loads of veggies still drink milk, despite what happens to all the male calfs?

 

[ToriRat]

I often wonder if an animal died of old age or in a horrid accident involving high cliffs and low visabilty would it be more ethically sound to eat it?
Not that I care cos I <3 meat

 

[cat_woman]

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Veggie Haggis is really nice!

 

[shoes]

I often wonder if an animal died of old age or in a horrid accident involving high cliffs and low visabilty would it be more ethically sound to eat it?
Not that I care cos I <3 meat

Depends. Did you select th animal for it's poor eyesight and leave it near the cliff? Were you at the bottom of the cliff already with a BBQ? I would be

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

Serious question. I understand the ethics of not wanting animals killed for food, but what about foods that are a byproduct and animals are never killed for? Are animals ever killed for offal, or blood? And if not then why not eat those products?

It depends on the person - in Buddhist ethics this would be okay, however some (probably most) veggies would refuse.

 

[Gramaisc]

I often wonder if an animal died of old age or in a horrid accident involving high cliffs and low visabilty would it be more ethically sound to eat it?
Not that I care cos I <3 meat

Depends. Did you select th animal for it's poor eyesight and leave it near the cliff? Were you at the bottom of the cliff already with a BBQ? I would be

Being at the bottom of a cliff with half a ton of partially sighted beef staggering about hundreds of feet vertically above you near to an unguarded cliff edge is not to be recommended.

 

[db]

Depends. Did you select th animal for it's poor eyesight and leave it near the cliff?

lol you may have hit upon a brilliant business venture.. get a load of livestock and keep them near a cliff.. those that accidentally wander off the edge - terrible shame, isn't nature cruel, yadda yadda - then sell the meat as "this animal was not killed for its meat, it died of accidental/natural causes" lol..

 

[tek-monkey]

It depends on the person - in Buddhist ethics this would be okay, however some (probably most) veggies would refuse.

Thats what I have trouble with, what is their reason?

 

[db]

It depends on the person - in Buddhist ethics this would be okay, however some (probably most) veggies would refuse.

Thats what I have trouble with, what is their reason?

whose reason? the buddhist's reason for saying it's ok, or the veggie's reason for refusing?

i suspect you mean the latter, and i'm really struggling to understand which part you don't get lol..

vegetarians do not eat meat by definition, ergo they will not eat haggis.. it does not matter where the meat has come from, how it was killed/prepared, etc.. vegetarians do not eat animals, haggis contains animal parts.. that's it! lol..

i know you're struggling with a moral argument, but that is irrelevant and is a different question.. your question is "would [a vegetarian] eat haggis?".. the answer is "no"..


edit: sorry, i'm probably being unnecessarily argumentative.. it's been a very slow day at work, please forgive me lol..

what you're asking is one of those hypothetical questions that can never really be answered satisfactorily.. why hypothetical? because whilst you could in theory produce haggis from animals which had died of natural causes, it's never going to happen.. a vegetarian who chooses not to eat meat because of moral objections is obviously not goint to have enough faith in any meat product to believe consuming it would fall in line with their beliefs, regardless of whatever promises have been made about its origins..

 

[Gramaisc]

A lot of these things are cultural as much as ethical. We incinerate or bury a lot of perfectly edible people, but there aren't many around who would really be prepared to eat them. There are degrees in all these things. Some vegetarians will use milk and some won't, there are even fructarians who won't wilfully cause the death of a plant, just using fruit and nuts together with non-fatal leaf usage. The average European would struggle to ( knowingly ) eat a cat or dog, or even insects in general, however humane the farming and slaughtering was. There are probably people who eschew meat products for eco-political reasons.

 

[shoes]

I'll eat pretty much anything, although humans.... at the moment no, however if it was for survival and they were already dead then yes. I don't think I could kill someone to eat, unless it were one of these pesky peasants anyway.

 

[Rikki]

The question reminds me of a Ali g interview i remember seeing years ago. I think he asked a vegitarian or animal rights activist what they would do if given the choice of eating an already dead chicken to save the life of a still living one.

 

[Gramaisc]

I'll eat pretty much anything, although humans.... at the moment no, however if it was for survival and they were already dead then yes. I don't think I could kill someone to eat, unless it were one of these pesky peasants anyway.

Peasants are tastier. They are the human equivalent of free-range, as opposed to the office-bound types who can be a bit bland on the palate.

I am confident that you could be educated into cannibalism in the right circumstances, and, if you were to hunt in the Cannock area, from what I saw at the boot sale at the weekend, you wouldn't have to kill one very often, should you have adequate storage facilities available.

 

[shoes]

Wasn't that Anita Roddick from the body shop? Hilarious question, never underestimage Mr Cohen!

 

[Rikki]

Wasn't that Anita Roddick from the body shop? Hilarious question, never underestimage Mr Cohen!

yes i think it was now you mention it.


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Ive just found the video it was some other bloke.