Gramaisc
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A lot of empires did that sort of thing.
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Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan.
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It was, for example, Incan subjugation rule 101.
Military conquest > isolate aristocracy > arrange inter-marriage with similarly isolated aristocracies > disperse newly forged alliances to unaffiliated areas of empire > establish new local aristocracies with central affiliation.
Another interesting twitter thread by Kamil Galeev on the impact of the reliance on 'minority' soldiers within the RU military framework.
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SketchyMagpie
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Russia Fights Against Time
Ukrainian forces have retaken territory outside Kyiv, nearly encircling the enemy’s troops
newlinesmag.com
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Hope it's true, so hard to tell nowadaysRussia Fights Against Time
Ukrainian forces have retaken territory outside Kyiv, nearly encircling the enemy’s troops
SketchyMagpie
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It's from a source I trust (the author has been on LBC reporting from the ground over the last month), for what that's worth
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Thats good, I see so much I really want to be true but can't verify so don't share. But then I guess thats letting the bots win!
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Don't believe the whole phase 1 is over we're concentrating on the east rhetoric, if this was true a lot of troops would not currently be where they appear to.
Gramaisc
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There can be good reasons to continue activities in areas that you aren't really aiming to conquer (immediately?) - e.g., drawing resources away from areas you are really aiming at (currently), etc.
However, "Don't believe" is always a good starting position.
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It was just them trying to save face, they clearly didn’t realise how much they’d be ripped a new one by Ukraine so now they’re “focusing on Donbas” so they can claim a win for reclaiming a small area that… hang on one sec, I need to check my notes
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Ah yes, an area they already control 1/3 of
Edit: filter decided to turn that one on its head, heh
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I still don't feel it's right, I think they may have heavier fighting there but are waiting for more reserves from the South to bolster forces before trying again. Also fighting in an area they already part control gives them an advantage they are sorely lacking, Russian troops seem very bad at close quarters attacking, although it does nullify their usual lets just fire artillery at everything until there is nothing left alive strategy.
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Hearing some right horrors about the poor guys at chernobyl. Seems they expected such a swift victory they'd be moved on before the radiation got too much, instead they were digging toilets in the red forest with no protective gear.
SketchyMagpie
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I think we may be looking at scenario 2 as things stand.
www.sbs.com.au
How will the Russia-Ukraine war end? Experts predict four possible outcomes
After Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed Australia's federal parliament, experts predict when and how Russia's invasion of Ukraine could end.
SketchyMagpie
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Latest line from Russia - it was the Americans that murdered all the civilians in the lands occupied by Russia. Whilst I'm aware we're fed a narrative that suits our media not a single person I know that has had to deal with Russians in their lives seems to doubt it was them. Even the Russian civilians don't really seem to be buying it, but an awful lot see it as acceptable anyway so dismiss it out of hand.
Theresa Green
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Loitering munitions set to play a greater role in the defence of Ukraine
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Biggest indication to me of how different the west are to russia is after that kremlin spokesman was interviewed. Everything going on and they're outraged that he admitted to heavy losses. Not at the losses themselves, not at the fact they were being lied to by their media because they all knew it wasn't going well really, but you never admit to being weak and admitting they had such losses means they can't pretend that part is propaganda anymore. Truth is irrelevant, some things should never be mentioned.
SketchyMagpie
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Yet more awful news coming out of Ukraine today. I'm beyond being able to even comment on most of it anymore. The scenes this week have been horrific.
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I don't know what sickens me more, the news I read or the comments attached.
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Oh god I've steered clear of the comments, I can only imagine.
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The scary thing is it's not just bots and paid agents, a hell of a lot of people* are defending Russia. Admittedly most by whataboutism, and some stretching it so far its hysterical, but things like on a satellite photo of a mass grave "why focus here, loads more died in hiroshima, where are those images?". Err, we didn't have satellite imagery then you cretin. Or "But America did the same in Cuba!", invade? Really? They tried to use Cubans against each other, just like Russia does in Donbas, but I don't remember and invasion?
* mostly Americans, mostly Trump supporters, most blame Biden/Obama/Clinton for literally anything you mention.