Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan.

[tek-monkey]

I don't know what dismays me more about Farage's new 'Net Zero Referendum' campaign, the whole 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' vibe or the fact there's a damned good chance the public actually would vote against environmental targets.

Big undercurrents of "it's all those people against fracking that made this happen", none live where the fracking will be though?

 

[Withnail]

It's opening up the next front of the Culture Wars. If you've been keeping count, it's actually a 'reopening', but one that has this time gained ground. The War in Ukraine is as much a fossil-fuel war as it is anything else. It is also a Water War - the Crimean peninsula is entirely waterless, and depends on a canal from the Dneiper that was blocked off in response to the annexation.

Farage has always been a mercenary - hopefully his cover is already blown on this mission, but he now appears to be a bridgehead.

I'm not hopeful - America is sneezing, which means a virus is heading our way.

Climate change, and the necessary response from the International community to ready us for its challenges, is the next battle ground. It will require a cohesive and coordinated response.

It will inevitably mean a drive toward net-zero, which will obviously have huge consequences for the Petro-States.

This will not go unchallenged, and, one would argue, is being challenged right now.

 

[tek-monkey]

Something my wife said the other day, the closer we get to renewables the less power putin has and therefore more likely people will retaliate.

 

[Mudgie]

What is our country doing? Why are we stood on the world stage telling everyone 'do something' with our pants round our ankles doing absolutely nothing ourselves. Does Johnson think other countries buy his inane waffle like the British public do? We're literally helping the Russians by giving them safe space to hide their assets, promising them time to get everything squirelled away before we come looking, under the guise of needing new legislation to do what EU countries already could and therefore we could too.

It's embarrassing that, just like Americans with the Trump administration, we are judged by his actions.

"Does Johnson think other countries buy his inane waffle like the British public do?"
He might think that oblivious to the fact that Britain hasn't been a World Power since the Suez crisis which was eight years before he was born.

 

[BobClay]

Judging by the result of the last election a lot of people in this country certainly do believe it. It's like playing Russian Roulette, only instead of one chamber with a bullet in it, one chamber hasn't got a bullet in it.

 

[tek-monkey]

Judging by the result of the last election a lot of people in this country certainly do believe it. It's like playing Russian Roulette, only instead of one chamber with a bullet in it, one chamber hasn't got a bullet in it.

Or where one MP isn't in their pockets

 

[Gramaisc]

It strikes me that Russia is a "rogue nation", but people have realised that they really do have WMDs...

 

[SketchyMagpie]

Unbearably grim. Can you imagine?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501588915303718918

 

[tek-monkey]

We've gone in guns blazing for far less, but we're scared of putin

 

[proactive]

We've gone in guns blazing for far less, but we're scared of putin

If we go to war with Putin it will be a very short conflict ending in a giant mushroom cloud.

 

[SketchyMagpie]

Britain and US fear Russia could be setting stage to use chemical weapons

White House press secretary Jen Psaki says false Russian claims about alleged US chemical weapons in Ukraine may be pretext

www.theguardian.com

 

[tek-monkey]

If we go to war with Putin it will be a very short conflict ending in a giant mushroom cloud.

But at some point there will be a need to make a stand, there is no way he's stopping at Ukraine other than to regroup. Moldova is pretty much a given, but after that he's going to go after the nato members on the north coast and at that point like it or not we're going in.

I'm guessing he's hiding in a bunker somewhere? As the other option needs him to break cover.

 

[proactive]

But at some point there will be a need to make a stand, there is no way he's stopping at Ukraine other than to regroup. Moldova is pretty much a given, but after that he's going to go after the nato members on the north coast and at that point like it or not we're going in.

I'm guessing he's hiding in a bunker somewhere? As the other option needs him to break cover.

I imagine NATO hopes the oligarchs that will suffer with the sanctions being imposed, will arrange for an 'accident' to happen to Putin in the reasonably near future.

Russia does have a long tradition of political assassination after all.

 

[Gramaisc]

I imagine NATO hopes the oligarchs that will suffer with the sanctions being imposed, will arrange for an 'accident' to happen to Putin in the reasonably near future.

Russia does have a long tradition of political assassination after all.

They also have a history of people not following the nuclear protocols, when things might/should have been fired.

Vasily Arkhipov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EasMid]

I imagine NATO hopes the oligarchs that will suffer with the sanctions being imposed, will arrange for an 'accident' to happen to Putin in the reasonably near future.

Russia does have a long tradition of political assassination after all.

They might have missed a chance last night. He was probably jumping the queue at the Moscow maccies drive through for a last big macski before they closed

 

[tek-monkey]

The pro putin lot were out in force on social media again today, most of what they say is very easy to discredit but if you weren't very intelligent or too lazy to fact check I can imagine people being sucked in.

My favourite by far today was that it was actually Obamas fault and he goaded Putin into it. I always had Putin pegged as fairly intelligent, but Obama must have played a blinder to set something up knowing what he'd do 5 years into the future. Bet Putin feels a right mug, how easily conned!

 

[basil]

The end maybe messy

The end will be NATO's decision .....

 

[Thehooperman]

Currently in an Armenian restaurant before the match and they can't get the usual Ukrainian beer I drink in here and offered me some Russian alternative which I refused.

Now drinking a nice Latvian alternative and I ain't having no Borsch

 

[Studio Tan]

Vlad’ will be quaking in his platform shoes now - the Compare the Market meerkats have been pulled !

 

[Thehooperman]

Had an interesting conversation with the owner of the Armenian restaurant we had lunch in this afternoon regarding Ukraine.

Whilst he acknowledged the atrocities that are happening he said NATO were to blame for rubbing Putin up the wrong way by trying to force Ukraine to join and also that Armenia would be better off back under mother Russia. Apparently I should listen to both sides of the story but he couldn't answer when I asked why it was necessary to kill people if it was such a wonderful regime.

Strange world we live in.