The Big Benefits & Employment Thread

[Lunar Scorpion]

Suprised not more people hav expressed outrage at the fact dole dossers are better off than NMW workers!!!

That's because the fact is that minimum wage workers are in fact better off, even if it is only by a few pounds, as I have already said. Can you provide an example of a situation where someone would not be better off working?

 

[DaveDon'tRave]

I've got a lovely combine harvester wot GorDON Brown gimme for free, he said if I sucked his woopsy he'd pay my rent and get the dealers off my back as well. People give Gordy a lotta grief but if you ask me I think he's pretty bang on, coz like sucking a woopsy don't take dat long u getz me, and my rent is like quite a bit month, something like £400 yeh, and my dealers man, day aint so nice...so like if you wanna get stuff like for free, kind of, then just suck someone's woopsy yeh. i rekonz dat kud make all yo' problems just like float away on a cloud, like you know, and some cloudz luk like candy floss innit, witch iz pretty kool yeh.

xx

 

[tek-monkey]

LS, how much JSA/HB do you get? I'm sure the average person will easily clear £100 between the 2. Then you have no council tax to pay, no prescription charges etc. Its gotta be close to a NMW worker doing a full time job. Not everyone gets a full time job though, someone working 20 hours a week would be much worse off than you.

 

[tek-monkey]

I've got a lovely combine harvester wot GorDON Brown gimme for free, he said if I sucked his woopsy he'd pay my rent and get the dealers off my back as well. People give Gordy a lotta grief but if you ask me I think he's pretty bang on, coz like sucking a woopsy don't take dat long u getz me, and my rent is like quite a bit month, something like £400 yeh, and my dealers man, day aint so nice...so like if you wanna get stuff like for free, kind of, then just suck someone's woopsy yeh. i rekonz dat kud make all yo' problems just like float away on a cloud, like you know, and some cloudz luk like candy floss innit, witch iz pretty kool yeh.

xx

:notworthy: Have a skill point!

 

[Rikki]

I'd like to know how much you can get if you work 16 hours while still Being allowed to claiming benefits. I feel we need a graph.

 

[shoes]

I'll get to it in a bit - unfortunately as I'm at work the projec management takes precedent lol

 

[DaveDon'tRave]

Why iz u talkin bout giraffes man? u dont spell it like dat! lol innit

I fink jobz is well gay man, like getting up in da morning iz for proper loozers yeh. like i stay in bed till like 11 or sumfing, den i take my cold cup of tea dat i left next to my mattress and i put it on da windowsill to heat up like natral and dat from da sun, and i watch Jeremy Kyle. dat man is proper funny yeh, fuk dat shit man, he tell it how it is, if i was on it he'd probly tell me i was like skum or summat man. id just like proper piss mysell u knowz wot i mean. i ad a job once yeh, man it was totally bum, i had to like say pleeze and fankyou to total strangerz man and datz just weird innit yeh... i gotta shoot now coz my mams outside innit...

 

[Gramaisc]

I am worried - basil's son-in-law is called Dave....

 

[shoes]

Suprised not more people hav expressed outrage at the fact dole dossers are better off than NMW workers!!!

That's because the fact is that minimum wage workers are in fact better off, even if it is only by a few pounds, as I have already said. Can you provide an example of a situation where someone would not be better off working?

Errrr yeah.... between £5.80 and £5.99 per hour if working 37.5 hours or less...see above.

Bear in mind that currently it's 5.73 and it goes up in October to 5.80. I presume benefits will also increase to reflect the fact.

Not to mention all the free time you have when you're not working, less travelling to do, no stresses of working, no having to be up at the crack of dawn each day in order to be ready for work.... you're a lot better off on benefits up to that point.

The fact of the matter is you should be significantly worse off on benefits as an incentive.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

LS, how much JSA/HB do you get? I'm sure the average person will easily clear £100 between the 2. Then you have no council tax to pay, no prescription charges etc. Its gotta be close to a NMW worker doing a full time job. Not everyone gets a full time job though, someone working 20 hours a week would be much worse off than you.

I'd like to know how much you can get if you work 16 hours while still Being allowed to claiming benefits. I feel we need a graph.

You can't claim JSA once you work 16 hours per week or more.

Currently:
JSA = £50.95
Council Tax Benefit = £13.39
Housing Benefit = £55.83
Total = £120.17

16 hours:
16 x £5.73 = £91.68 (not liable for NI or Income Tax)
Council Tax Benefit = £6.24
Housing Benefit = £30.68
Total = £128.60

Difference = £8.43 per week in favour of working - and I would still be taking £36.92 without giving anything back, except possibly profits to some corporation.

See here for information about NHS costs. It is highly likely that I still wouldn't have to pay.

 

[Wookie]

Assuming a minimum wage of £5.73, according to the tool at http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk, £9,633.92 a year or £802.83 a month.

 

[Rikki]

LS, how much JSA/HB do you get? I'm sure the average person will easily clear £100 between the 2. Then you have no council tax to pay, no prescription charges etc. Its gotta be close to a NMW worker doing a full time job. Not everyone gets a full time job though, someone working 20 hours a week would be much worse off than you.

I'd like to know how much you can get if you work 16 hours while still Being allowed to claiming benefits. I feel we need a graph.

Currently:
JSA = £50.95
Council Tax Benefit = £13.39
Housing Benefit = £55.83
Total = £120.17

16 hours:
16 x £5.73 = £91.68 (not liable for NI or Income Tax)
Council Tax Benefit = £6.24
Housing Benefit = £30.68
Total = £128.60

Difference = £8.43 per week in favour of working - and I would still be taking £36.92 without giving anything back, except possibly profits to some corporation.

going back to my earlier post could you not earn 91.68 working 16 hours and still claim the job seekers allowance and other benefits? Or would you have to work 15.99 hours?

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

going back to my earlier post could you not earn 91.68 working 16 hours and still claim the job seekers allowance and other benefits? Or would you have to work 15.99 hours?

Yep!

 

[Rikki]

Also is there a wage cap in that 15.99 hours? Or could someone in theory earn as much as they could.

 

[tek-monkey]

So working 16 hours a week gets you £8? There really is no incentive to get the arse scratchers moving is there?

Benefits used to be capped, my mum was allowed to earn a tenner a week and anything else came off her benefits. Think nowadays they let you do as you please don't they?

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

Also is there a wage cap in that 15.99 hours? Or could someone in theory earn as much as they could.

As far as I know, the amount of JSA you get is reduced based on your income - but I don't make the rules, the DWP do.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

So working 16 hours a week gets you £8? There really is no incentive to get the arse scratchers moving is there?

Benefits used to be capped, my mum was allowed to earn a tenner a week and anything else came off her benefits. Think nowadays they let you do as you please don't they?

That's what you'd like to think...

 

[tek-monkey]

That's what you'd like to think...

Which bit? Seems stupid to take money off you for working, as it gives you less incentive to work. Much better to let you earn as much as you can in those hours, but give you a very basic JSA.

 

[shoes]

16 hours:
16 x £5.73 = £91.68 (not liable for NI or Income Tax)
Council Tax Benefit = £6.24
Housing Benefit = £30.68
Total = £128.60

Difference = £8.43 per week in favour of working - and I would still be taking £36.92 without giving anything back, except possibly profits to some corporation.

So does this mean you would have to cover the rest of the council tax then? Because thats a pretty hefty sum to come out of your monthly £514.40.

 

[shoes]

So working 16 hours a week gets you £8? There really is no incentive to get the arse scratchers moving is there?

Benefits used to be capped, my mum was allowed to earn a tenner a week and anything else came off her benefits. Think nowadays they let you do as you please don't they?

That's what you'd like to think...

Ok so what do you ACTUALLY have to do these days to get your money? How many jobs do they MAKE you apply for? How many interviews do you HAVE to attend? Do they check with people who interviewed you that you didn't act like a twat just to avoid getting the job?