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andy w

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proactive said:
You're right about all these things. But UKIP can't be the answer as their policies are merely headlines and contain no substantive solutions to any of these problems.

We know what they claim they WON'T do, but what WILL they do?

It's all irrelevant anyway as whoever does get into power will be wooed by the shiny limos and 'free' lunches and do sod all to help any of us.
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You're probably right but what options have we got. Most of UKIP's appeal is to 'sod the lot of them' to the establishment parties and when commentators say ' Vote UKIP and get Labour' the response is to shrug the shoulders and say so what, as I can't tell much difference and wonder whether we are getting Labour-Lite or Tory-Lite whoevers in power.
I know a lot on here would rather not vote for anyone at all but is that achieving anything.
 
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Withnail

Withnail

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andy w said:
You're right Withnail, people are mad who support UKIP
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I think you might have missed the c/o Private Eye bit at the bottom.

Mad that the coalition haven't cut the deficit and we are still borrowing over £100 billion a year to balance the books.

Mad that between them the Lib dems, Labour and the Tories have added over £1 TRILLION to the national debt

Mad that the government is allowing net immigration when we already have a housing shortage and our public services are creaking.

Mad that the government is importing foreign labour and then wondering why over 1 million under 25's can't find work

Mad that successive governments send our troops into costly wars at the same time cutting back on defence spending

Mad that politicians have handed over so much policy and law making powers to Brussels and Strasbourg
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Whatever truth there may be in the above, i think we can all agree that it isn't quite as funny. :)
 
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andy w

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Withnail said:
I think you might have missed the c/o Private Eye bit at the bottom.



Whatever truth there may be in the above, i think we can all agree that it isn't quite as funny. :)
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Points taken, I just took the opportunity to stir the pot a bit as political discussion on here has been quiet on here even considering we have had the conference season.
 
John Marwood

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Humans, en masse, cannot sustain action for the common good, therefore all politics are self serving
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andy w

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John Marwood said:
Humans, en masse, cannot sustain action for the common good, therefore all politics are self serving
John Marwood 2013
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Are you sure? Humans in general are of a herding nature (park a single car on a empty car park and see how many other cars park around it) and if people are to rub shoulders with each other they understand a set of morals, rules etc is needed for peaceful co existence.
Throughout history humans have pooled their skills and resources to improve their standard of living.
As for the phrase 'the common good' it always worries me when that's said because normally some one down the line is going to suffer. The HS2 project is a prime example of that with a fast modern rail track cutting journey times and adding capacity at the price of cutting a swathe through hundreds of miles of countryside and affecting the lives of thousands of people.
 
Gramaisc

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There seems to be an increasing tendency to believe that there must be rules - but, they're largely intended for other people.
 
proactive

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andy w said:
The HS2 project is a prime example of that with a fast modern rail track cutting journey times and adding capacity at the price of cutting a swathe through hundreds of miles of countryside and affecting the lives of thousands of people.
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It also a prime example of wasting huge amounts of money on a project that will serve only a relatively small number of people, boost the profits of companies that are already very wealthy and disrupt the countryside and the lives of many.

Upgrading east and west coast main lines will achieve more for many at a relative fraction of the cost.

But then this kind of extravagant wastefulness and disregard for what people really want typifies politicians of all colours, so your example is a good one.
 
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andy w

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proactive said:
It also a prime example of wasting huge amounts of money on a project that will serve only a relatively small number of people, boost the profits of companies that are already very wealthy and disrupt the countryside and the lives of many.

Upgrading east and west coast main lines will achieve more for many at a relative fraction of the cost.

But then this kind of extravagant wastefulness and disregard for what people really want typifies politicians of all colours, so your example is a good one.
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You're right. Some one, some where else on this site last week made the point that the HS2 demonstrators who were in town probulary voted Tory and had themselves to blame. Well if we had ended up with a Labour government last time round they would have carried on with the project that they had laid down.
How many times have we had a political change but carried on with flawed projects. When the Tories took over the county Council there was much umming and arring whether to proceed with building the new Council Offices. I would imagine the Tories were 'sold' the benefits of a new building, just like Labour were, by the chief officers. It is easy to say in retrospect now but the Tories should have abandoned the scheme.
 
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