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Mr Lefroy Set To Make A Big Announcement On Monday ?
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The Hawk
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This is a trick question. There are no railway stations in Newcastle-under-Lyme...........................................................nor baths.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Really?
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Seems he truly is a tit - Last night he voted for Remaining in the European single market but not forming a customs union with the EU - then voted for Seeking a customs union with the EU. He then chickened out of other votes so he can say "don't blame me"
As self serving as ever considering what his constituents had told him they wanted
As self serving as ever considering what his constituents had told him they wanted
Withnail
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So you've given up understanding what the House is trying to do, yet you are happy, outwith any attempt at understanding, to describe it as a 'fiasco', and happy to describe the participants as 'morons'?
M'kay.
As Bercow was at pains to explain to people who were at equal pains to discredit the process, this was always meant as a process of two parts.
What we all have to remember is that we have found ourselves in something of a perfect storm. Let's re-cap -
There was a referendum - the outcome was inconclusive, to all intents and purposes it was 50-50...
... spare me the bollox you Leavers - Beleavers, Quitlings, Grand Wizards - from the horses mouth it's 'unfinished business', is it not?
The Conservatives are the 'natural party of Government', so leaving the entire negotiation process to them is just the natural thing to do, isn't it?
Turns out it isn't quite as straight forward as was promised - 'easiest Trade Deal in History' anyone? - during a campaign that absolutely nobody would describe as a shining example of presenting the possible 'destiny of a Nation' to the People in an open display of fair play and forthright honesty, toward the further relationship of the UK without or within the EU.
Turns out that if you take a particular position - if you adopt 'red lines' if you will - certain things become less likely or indeed pretty much impossible. When you try to make the case that 'Actually We're British, Godammit!' it turns out that you are actually David Davies, and you find yourself being unable to function in the way that even a Mother with two children who go to two different schools on every single day of the week has to function, but it is too late and now you have locked your Country into a 'back-stop'.
Amazingly you discover that this is the kind of thing that happens when you haven't had to negotiate anything for ages because you'd always delegated the negotiating of these sorts of things to the people you are now negotiating with, because you had previously decided that they were very good at doing it and were therefore more than happy for them to keep doing it on your behalf.
You kind of realise that you are now, very much, at a fork in the road...
There was a General Election in 2017 - even though we now have a Fixed Term Parliament Act (2011) that meant there shouldn't have been til 2020.
There was no overall Majority.
A Conservative Government was formed with a 'working' majority with a 'confidence and supply' agreement, NOT a coalition as was effected with the Liberal Democrats in 2010, with the DUP.
The DUP. A party that has the gall to try and occupy some sort of high ground despite the fact that they have been unable to keep their devolved Parliament operative, are quite clearly corrupt in their 'Cash for Ash' dealings with dodgy subsidies when Stormont was operative. F**k them, and all who sail in them. They have the cojones to say that on the one hand it would be beyond the Pale to have any kind of unalignment with the Rest Of The UK, and yet they must maintain their opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage that means they are not 'alligned' to their precious Union.
So the Parliament begins a two- part process to try and find some sort of consensus to break a deadlock that is reflected throughout the country and finds no consensus in the first instance. Eliminating the potential ways forward that won't find support, the House must be given the opportunity to eliminate the unacceptable to wrest upon what might be ultimately acceptable.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that we can currently revoke our intention to leave the EU by withdrawing our notice to initiate the Article 50 process. This will require us to do nothing at all but eat a bit of humble pie. Once any International Treaty is enacted, even if it is a really shit International Treaty, that option becomes closed to us.
It's too late to lament how poorly the whole process has been handled, because we all know that.
Perhaps you think our young people don't deserve the kind of future that we have enjoyed as our past.
Perhaps you ought to think about that.
Really?
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A very well written, if rather myopic, point of view
Really?
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No shocks - as he has already ignored his constituents, the last thing he wants is for them to have their say. Sadly, they will still vote him in at the next GE
Gramaisc
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I still find it amazing that his vote has gone up at every election.
But, then, Christopher Chope got 70% last time...
Other confectionery items are available.What is it the Yorkies say: "There's nowt so queer as folk."
Withnail
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It is interesting that you accuse me of being short-sighted when you appear to 'see' so much.
What is it that his constituents have told him that i have so clearly missed?
Because some of us remember when our cohort was told that they could have the Moon on a Stick. And the Mexicans would pay for it!
And then the House of Cards came crumbling down as if the best laid schemes of Mice and Men do NOT survive first contact with the Enemy.
Yes.
That's exactly how much we need to draw breath, compose ourselves, and ease back.
Centre yourself.
Nothing is f**cked, Dude, nothing is f**cked.
If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Stop the fecking Brexit.
Really?
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56% of his constituents (that voted) voted to leave - a very clear instruction. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that is the factual result of a democratic vote. On a 77.8% turn out that is quite a good majority. We can argue all day long about whether Leave broke the rules on spending (they did) or whether Remain overspent (they did) or even what we think the 18,000 or so who didn't vote would have voted but they didn't so that argument is pointless. We could even go down the argument that those who voted to leave didn't know what they were voting for (although I certainly did) Stafford voted to Leave.
"No Deal" does not exist - plenty of other countries trade on WTO rules. At the end of the day, if our products are good enough, people will buy them and if they want to sell us their products they will do everything they can to make it easy for us to do so.
Either way, we will get screwed and shat on, as has always been the case
"No Deal" does not exist - plenty of other countries trade on WTO rules. At the end of the day, if our products are good enough, people will buy them and if they want to sell us their products they will do everything they can to make it easy for us to do so.
Either way, we will get screwed and shat on, as has always been the case
BobClay
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I often wonder about this land of gold and honey that the leavers are promising us. I truly hope they’re right, I really do, because if not they had better have some really deep holes to hide in. (Except of course for the likes of Rees-Moggy and motley crew whose holes are pre-prepped far far away in another galaxy.) 
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