Just a bit of fun. See this thread for details.Striker1 said:and what the hell are stafford points?
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Just a bit of fun. See this thread for details.Striker1 said:and what the hell are stafford points?
yes, having the maintenence out for two weeks will have no effect on the state of the art testing facility that hardly ever breaks down and hasn't been the bottle neck of the production lines for the last seven years.and lets not forget the engine wash which doesn't seem to run for more than a day at a time, another £700,000 well spentCreamCake said:Looks like the strike is collapsing, all the blokes are back at work next week except for the maintenance department who are out for two weeks.
The only thing our maintenance department guys do is stop the coffee machine from falling over.
it certainly is,it amazes everyone that works there.tek-monkey said:Its amazing they make a profit at all!
Striker1 - can you be specific about the "childish behaviour" you refer to please?Striker1 said:this isn't a collapse its an escalation and the resolve of the union is as strong as ever and is being fueled by the facility managers childish behavior
Not quite true, that.Striker1 said:it certainly is,it amazes everyone that works there.tek-monkey said:Its amazing they make a profit at all!
You could always tell us? Also if the shop floor workers are amazed the place makes a profit, yet it makes loads, the management must be doing something right?Striker1 said:it certainly is,it amazes everyone that works there.
and trust me tek monkey you dont know the half of it.
in reference to the childish behavior, he was offered by the union a suspension of this weeks strike so some sort of talks could be arranged to try and come to a compromise-- he declinedsupernova said:Striker1 - can you be specific about the "childish behaviour" you refer to please?Striker1 said:this isn't a collapse its an escalation and the resolve of the union is as strong as ever and is being fueled by the facility managers childish behavior
Also, we keep seeing comments like "you don't know the half of it", etc. What is going on (apart from the specific disagreement over pay and the timing of the offer Perkins have made)?
i hope not for alot of peoples sake.supernova said:Thanks for making that clear Striker1. All I would say is that I can't see any benefit to him if the place were to shut, and I really do not believe that CAT would want that either.
No, Doug's STIP is nearer 35%, whilst the bonus employees below middle management level will be getting will be 12.25%. Still not to be sniffed at, and across the company that is a hell of a lot of money they are paying out.Striker1 said:i think the bonus we are allegedly getting is similar to his non equity incentive plan, obviously not the amounts
thats the point, why cant doug take a 12.25% bonus? and do you think he will settle for a 4% rise over 3 years?supernova said:No, Doug's STIP is nearer 35%, whilst the bonus employees below middle management level will be getting will be 12.25%. Still not to be sniffed at, and across the company that is a hell of a lot of money they are paying out.Striker1 said:i think the bonus we are allegedly getting is similar to his non equity incentive plan, obviously not the amounts
its ok, what department do you work in?CreamCake said:Striker 1 - just a bit of banter, I knew you couldn't resist
Thanks for sharing your side of the argument, many people simply are not aware of all the issues going on, as so many things seem to be happening at the moment.
Are you telling me that if you were promoted past those around you, you wouldn't expect a bigger slice of the pie?Striker1 said:thats the point, why cant doug take a 12.25% bonus? and do you think he will settle for a 4% rise over 3 years?supernova said:No, Doug's STIP is nearer 35%, whilst the bonus employees below middle management level will be getting will be 12.25%. Still not to be sniffed at, and across the company that is a hell of a lot of money they are paying out.Striker1 said:i think the bonus we are allegedly getting is similar to his non equity incentive plan, obviously not the amounts
remember he doesn't own the company he just works there like the rest of us?
Interesting point, there must be a reason that Cat feels the Staffs branch aren't worth it. Any idea why? If a site making a loss gets a pay rise, but one making a profit doesn't, what does that say? To me it says Staffords days are numbered, because if the site was as viable as you say they'd fight to keep it. Only a complete 'tard would destroy their most profitable site, so is it really?Striker1 said:the strike is about fairness as said before. perkins peterbough are already enjoying their pay rise and will get the same bonus as us and the rest of the caterpillar workers worldwide but their bonus will be on their new salary rate so worth more than staffords all we want is what seems to on offer for others. we make a good profit at stafford so why not?
Anybody who worked at English Electric/GEC/Alstom might be able to think of the odd example of irrational thoughts from the hierarchy..tek-monkey said:Only a complete 'tard would destroy their most profitable site
Only downside is we'd have to live in AmericaStriker1 said:this is interesting,i might ask for a transferTheorum said:Once listened to someone of importance tell me "it's all worked out on the local environment".
Average house price Peoria, IL, USA. - 119526 USD = 74823 GBP
Average house price Stafford, Staffs, UK, - 120000 GBP = 191700 USD
National Hourly Rate Data
Peoria Stafford
Production Machinist $18.79 £9.70
Welder, Cutter, Solderer, or Brazer $19.33 £9.70
Engine or Other Machine Assembler $17.39 £9.70
Machinist Set Up Operator $18.99 £9.70
Mechanical Engineer $24.49 £? (Anyone care to fill in the blanks) lol
Assembler $15.69 £9.70
Warehouse Worker $13.39 £8.70
Average wage! - 9.7000 GBP = 15.4957 USD
and what the hell are stafford points?
Gramaisc said:The workforce is a tool that is used to provide dividends for the shareholders.
If you don't protect what you've got it gets taken away from you quicker. If you resist you can stall it or maybe even stop it, c'est la vie.Withnail said:It is, however, very easy to fall into the mindset that says you're lucky to have a job. One could just as easily say they are lucky to have you.