Holidays 2023.

Gramaisc

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Windermere today, clouds, sunshine but no rain. Also saw USAF F-35 fighter jets fly past.

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There is a place on the shore called White Cross Holiday Park. You can still see an old slipway running into the water. It was built to launch Sunderlands during the war, that were constructed there.

Taking off, for the machine's first flight, in such a lumbering thing, and being surrounded by mountains, seems rather too exciting to me...


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Carole

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Husband retired this year and we wanted to do something special and a bit different so we went to Africa.
4 nights in Cape Town, then a 3 night train journey to Pretoria.
A night in Johannesburg, then we flew up to Kasane where we took a 3 night river cruise on The Zambezi Queen. We cruised along the Chobe River which has over 120,000 elephants on the riverbank.

We then went over to Victoria Falls for a few nights.
An altogether wonderful memorable holiday.

We’ve seen some amazing sights and met wonderful interesting people, we’ve got close to animals in their natural habitat. We feel very lucky to have been able to experience this.
 
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Mudgie

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I've been in Gothenburg for the weekend. A lovely city to visit, very laid back.
A lovely city apparently and one with a fascinating history.
The Gothenburg or Trust Public House system originated in the 1860s in Gothenburg in an attempt to control the consumption of spirits. Earlier in the century, 34 litres annual per capita consumption of spirits was recorded in Sweden. In 1855 the country proscribed domestic distillation. The city of Gothenburg awarded its sole retail licence for spirits to a trust, with the aim of controlling consumption. The shareholders of the trust were to receive a maximum return of 5% annually and all other profits were to be used to benefit the local community. The town treasury was to control the income generated and use it to provide libraries, museums, parks and other community facilities. The success of the system led to its spread throughout Sweden and further afield.
In Scotland, pubs run under the Gothenburg system are often colloquially known as "Goths". Although controversial within the movement, some Scottish temperance campaigners advocated the system. The passing of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1893 allowed its adoption, and it took hold, particularly in coal mining communities, where mining companies had previously opposed the granting of pub licences. There were several 'Goths' in the Lothians, one each in Stirlingshire and Ayrshire and, until 1914, more than twenty in Fife, where the system took its strongest hold; strong links between Fife and Sweden had been established in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century due to the supply of coal to Swedish Railways by the Fife Coal Company. The local coal companies were often a source of funds to establish these pubs and were usually a dominant force on the boards of the trusts, with the miners themselves usually holding representation and sometimes contributing in part to the capital. A premise of these pubs was that they were not to be attractive or welcoming, to discourage drinking, and the sale of spirits was not to be encouraged. No credit was given and betting and gambling were banned, as were any form of game or amusement (even dominoes). Examples of facilities and beneficiaries funded by the system included libraries, museums, parks, bowling and cricket grounds and pavilions, cinemas, community centres or 'Gothenburg halls' and grants to galas, charities, clubs and societies and for the funding of district nurses and ambulances. Today, some of these establishments remain as pubs but only the Dean Tavern in Newtongrange, the Goth in Armadale, the Prestoungrange Gothenburg in Prestonpans and The Gothenburg in Fallin, Stirling are still run under the Gothenburg system.
Joseph Chamberlain took an interest in the Gothenburg system and proposed a version of it to a Parliamentary Select Committee on Intemperance in 1877. This did not gain momentum but the issue was raised again in the 1890s by the Bishop of Chester, Francis Jayne, who wrote letters to The Times and published articles on the subject. He also founded the People's Refreshment House Association Limited. His ideas were not approved of by the Church of England Temperance Society who were hostile to the idea of "working men" having improved pubs and encouraged them to make home and family the focus of their leisure time. As well as Jayne's association, which had 130 establishments, there was a similar "Gothenburg-inspired" group called the Central Public House Trust Association, which owned about 250 "trust houses" in England and Wales by 1914.
I could give the related history of Trust Houses - later to merge with Forte - in the early twentieth century but that might be a bit far from the topic of 2023 holidays.
And I doubt if any of you really want to know about my three night break in Sussex last week.
 
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kilmaccumsey

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Just back from Italy, visited Verona. Milan, Rapello Florence, Ferrara & Venice. Day trips via trains to lake Como. Rip off place, lake Garda much nicer. Trains are so easy to get round. We stayed in Mestre just out of Venice. Cheaper and a 10 min train ride to Venice. Also managed a beach day at the Lido in Venice. Decided 3 weeks away is too long.. Missed the dog.
Son met an Italian while over there.. His Gg grandad was italian whatever goes round so they say.
Soooo see how this goes. Grazie
 

Carole

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@Trumpet

I’d like to pick your brains if I may.

We’ve done several cruises over the years, mainly with Celebrity and we’ve got a cruise booked with Regent Seven Seas (750 passengers).

The largest ship that we’ve been on held about 3000. Husband wants to get another holiday booked and we’ve seen a cruise from Southampton on the Iona but the sheer size of it puts me off.

I know that you went on her earlier in the year and I also know that you enjoyed it.
So my questions are, did you sail at full occupancy?
Were there queues to get on and off at port?
Were there queues for restaurants?
Were the outside decks busy?
Did it feel crowded?

We’ve not cruised on P&O for a few years now and I do remember people dressed up a bit more (which we like).
Many of the cruise lines are quite casual now with the odd chic night. I’m tempted because I think it would be lovely to unearth the posh frocks that have been languishing in the wardrobe.

Do people still make the effort to dress up on P&O?
I read somewhere that they do on the smaller ships but Iona and Arvia are quite casual so I wondered what your view was.
 

staffordjas

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@Trumpet

I’d like to pick your brains if I may.

We’ve done several cruises over the years, mainly with Celebrity and we’ve got a cruise booked with Regent Seven Seas (750 passengers).

The largest ship that we’ve been on held about 3000. Husband wants to get another holiday booked and we’ve seen a cruise from Southampton on the Iona but the sheer size of it puts me off.

I know that you went on her earlier in the year and I also know that you enjoyed it.
So my questions are, did you sail at full occupancy?
Were there queues to get on and off at port?
Were there queues for restaurants?
Were the outside decks busy?
Did it feel crowded?

We’ve not cruised on P&O for a few years now and I do remember people dressed up a bit more (which we like).
Many of the cruise lines are quite casual now with the odd chic night. I’m tempted because I think it would be lovely to unearth the posh frocks that have been languishing in the wardrobe.

Do people still make the effort to dress up on P&O?
I read somewhere that they do on the smaller ships but Iona and Arvia are quite casual so I wondered what your view was.
I'm having coffee ,before our zumba , this morning with a mate who went on the same cruise from Southampton on the Iona just before @Trumpet . I'll ask her as well to see if they sailed at full capacity , any long queues for her etc , and her experience with the dress codes at night etc to see if it was the same as @Trumpet

(She's just come back from a cruise around the med from Majorca , so going for a catch-up about that before our zumba class. )
 

Mudgie

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I'm having coffee ,before our zumba , this morning with a mate who went on the same cruise from Southampton on the Iona just before @Trumpet . I'll ask her as well to see if they sailed at full capacity , any long queues for her etc , and her experience with the dress codes at night etc to see if it was the same as @Trumpet

(She's just come back from a cruise around the med from Majorca , so going for a catch-up about that before our zumba class. )
And whether many upside-down pineapples are displayed on board ?
 

staffordjas

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And whether many upside-down pineapples are displayed on board ?
And whether many upside-down pineapples are displayed on board ?
Omg , didn't know about that until just googling. Glad you mentioned that incase we ever go on a cruise 😂 (Although after my friend, who's been trying to convince me you don't get sea sick on the big cruise ships , saying she felt queasy at their first breakfast on this smaller ship as it was so choppy that day, I'll need a lot more convincing!)
 

Mudgie

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Omg , didn't know about that until just googling. Glad you mentioned that incase we ever go on a cruise 😂 (Although after my friend, who's been trying to convince me you don't get sea sick on the big cruise ships , saying she felt queasy at their first breakfast on this smaller ship as it was so choppy that day, I'll need a lot more convincing!)
Yes, not at all like the Shropshire Union - so I'm told.
 

Glam

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@staffordjas

That would be so kind of you, thank you!

@Trumpet

ooh…upside down pineapple, the cruise equivalent of pampas grass :banana:
There's a whole video about Pineapples on cruises on Youtube.
People like to decorate the doors of their cabins, not only adds a bit of colour, but makes it easier to recognise your cabin when you've had a few. The Pineapple facing the right way, means you're swingers, the upside down one means knock on and let's have a lot of fun!

Pampas grass in the corner of the front garden is also a sign of swinging.
Us kids used walk down Rock Crescent in Oulton Stone every morning. There was oodles of gardens with it in ;) ;)
 

staffordjas

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@Carole - she says there weren't big queues for meals as you booked on your app for your choice of restaurants and they let them know about 15 minutes before when a table is available.

Says not so dressy as used to be years ago .Can still get dressed up for the Black jacket & tie special meal night , but got more relaxed over the years. She just wore a nice dress each evening, but nothing elaborate.

Didn't know if ship was close to capactity or not , but no massive queues to get on etc . They were able to easily do the activities they wanted .She had a time slot to arrive in Southampton to have bags collected & board. She said wasn't too crowded on deck and elsewhere on the ship when they went.

She really enjoyed the P&O Iona and has already booked 2 more cruises already for next year.
 

staffordjas

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There's a whole video about Pineapples on cruises on Youtube.
People like to decorate the doors of their cabins, not only adds a bit of colour, but makes it easier to recognise your cabin when you've had a few. The Pineapple facing the right way, means you're swingers, the upside down one means knock on and let's have a lot of fun!

Pampas grass in the corner of the front garden is also a sign of swinging.
Us kids used walk down Rock Crescent in Oulton Stone every morning. There was oodles of gardens with it in ;) ;)
My parents had Pampas grass in their garden , which was there when they moved in . Like me , I don't think they were aware what it was a sign for 😂
 

Thehooperman

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@Trumpet

I’d like to pick your brains if I may.

We’ve done several cruises over the years, mainly with Celebrity and we’ve got a cruise booked with Regent Seven Seas (750 passengers).

The largest ship that we’ve been on held about 3000. Husband wants to get another holiday booked and we’ve seen a cruise from Southampton on the Iona but the sheer size of it puts me off.

I know that you went on her earlier in the year and I also know that you enjoyed it.
So my questions are, did you sail at full occupancy?
Were there queues to get on and off at port?
Were there queues for restaurants?
Were the outside decks busy?
Did it feel crowded?

We’ve not cruised on P&O for a few years now and I do remember people dressed up a bit more (which we like).
Many of the cruise lines are quite casual now with the odd chic night. I’m tempted because I think it would be lovely to unearth the posh frocks that have been languishing in the wardrobe.

Do people still make the effort to dress up on P&O?
I read somewhere that they do on the smaller ships but Iona and Arvia are quite casual so I wondered what your view was.
A quick Google search has photos of passengers mainly in smart casual attire and this came up as I searched.

Enjoy you cruise.

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Carole

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Oooh thanks for the info @staffordjas, lovely of you to take the time out to do that for me.
I‘ve also just had a lovely chat with @Trumpet on the phone.

StaffordJas, there are little taster cruises going from Southampto, 2 or 3 nights. That might be an idea to try it.
I‘ve only been sea sick once in 16 years of cruising.

@Thehooperman , yes there are loads of you tube stuff out there on every cruise line but it’s always useful to hear from people that have actually cruised on that particular cruise line or ship.

Regardless of the dress code (if there is one) there are always some that try to flout it resulting in them getting turned away from the smart restaurants.

I like cruising, I like the freedom it gives but we don’t stick with a particular cruise line, we like to vary it a bit and try different ones out.

Husband retired this year and wants to travel while we are able to do so, you never know what is round the corner.

Die with memories not dreams.
 

staffordjas

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Oooh thanks for the info @staffordjas, lovely of you to take the time out to do that for me.
I‘ve also just had a lovely chat with @Trumpet on the phone.

StaffordJas, there are little taster cruises going from Southampto, 2 or 3 nights. That might be an idea to try it.
I‘ve only been sea sick once in 16 years of cruising.

@Thehooperman , yes there are loads of you tube stuff out there on every cruise line but it’s always useful to hear from people that have actually cruised on that particular cruise line or ship.

Regardless of the dress code (if there is one) there are always some that try to flout it resulting in them getting turned away from the smart restaurants.

I like cruising, I like the freedom it gives but we don’t stick with a particular cruise line, we like to vary it a bit and try different ones out.

Husband retired this year and wants to travel while we are able to do so, you never know what is round the corner.

Die with memories not dreams.
My mate has just been on ( something like) 'Marella' cruise lines. She's been on that one quite a lot as well . Flew as a package to Palma , 7 days cruising around the med and then 4 nights hotel in Cala Bona. That looked a lot smaller ship than the P& O Iona. Said it was just that one day they could feel the swell of the sea.

Said she goes for an inside cabin , lower down as less movement.
But if we did try it out , I'd need to splash out on a nice big outside one with balcony.:D

Can't get holiday insurance again now whilst hubby is waiting for his 2nd lots of tests tomorrow & then waiting for hopefully better results .

(Should have taken the yearly one out again a couple of months ago , when LV would actually insure us at the time with the GP letter okaying him for travel ! Got the quote , but thought we'd wait until we'd decided on a holiday . Would have still been covered if we had )

In the mean time it's the Toorak in TLH Torquay for our next holiday this year , spending Xmas there with son.
 
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