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Stafford Traffic.
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Mudgie
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Then we need bobbies on the beat reprimanding those who ignore the "Except for access" sign.
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Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Police - ha ha ha - you really think that there are actual police available to implement the road laws? Sorry that’s just being facetious.
I can honestly say that I have never noticed the “Except for Access” signs. I’ve never understood why Mill Street hasn’t been pedestrianised.
I can honestly say that I have never noticed the “Except for Access” signs. I’ve never understood why Mill Street hasn’t been pedestrianised.
Mudgie
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That was possibly my least ever serious comment on this forum so yes, facetious.
joshua
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The good folk of mill street are somewhat resistant to change (and progress and common sense and anything which does not benefit them)
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Loss of the access to the car park for the Swan might cause some consternation, but the west section could be left open and used two-way, with 'full' pedestrianisation of the road eastwards from there?
And, it seemed a bit safer when the 'one way' was in the other direction.
Even with the current arrangement, some occasional enforcement of the 'Except for Access' would reduce the traffic considerably, I suspect.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
They don't want to lose the on street parking because for some of them, that is where a lot of their business comes from. Henry Burton's for example gets a lot of bikes dropped off for repair from people who park up and unload them. The Fishmonger gets a lot of its elderly clientele parking up, buying fish and then driving out of town again. The Music School has an all awful lot of its younger kids dropped off by car so the kids can go straight up the stairs. I'm sure there are more examples. It's the only parking for most of these shops. Only the undertaker has it's own parking round the back of Primrose Cottage, because despite appearances from Mill Street it occupies a substantial site.
Then there is the access to the Swan car park and the private parking for some other businesses down the same access road.
Closing it off is not viable, unless people want to see even more businesses in the town close.
There should, however be a clear give way to pedestrians sign, or preferably a stop sign at the bottom of Mill Street to make things safer.
Also remember, that in the case that @gilbert grape highlighted above, the skateboarder was riding his skateboard in a pedestrianised area and had no business being there in the first place, as GG highlights himself, so for some to then want to effectively cut off a substantial amount of trade for hard working business owners in Mill Street, so that scrotes can freely break the rules in a Pedestrian area is a bit much.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
One way in the other direction? You mean going from The Post House towards Church Lane? When was that ever a thing?
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Quite some time ago. It stopped being a thing when the town centre was pedestrianised and traffic could no longer legally approach Mill Street from the south at that end.
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Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Mid-70s, possibly into the early 80s.
Emergence from the 'thin bit' was rather less fraught in that direction.
During The Blitz around the Queensway phase, all sorts of odd changes happened and you needed to keep your eye on the situation almost daily.
I fell off the back of my own bike at the Mill Bank/Greengate Street crossroads, when I assumed that the bloke I had let ride it would obey a new sign that he didn't notice.
gilbert grape
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While this seems to have turned into a bit a drawn out debate, I am still sure that you had all been there, 90% would have come down on the side of the motorist - even due to conduct!
If I get to the end of any street, walking, biking or driving, I consider others. I just wonder if there's an appeal out there on social media asking for witnesses as there was possibly hundreds of pounds of damage due to panels being replaced?
Keep em peeled!
If I get to the end of any street, walking, biking or driving, I consider others. I just wonder if there's an appeal out there on social media asking for witnesses as there was possibly hundreds of pounds of damage due to panels being replaced?
Keep em peeled!
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
I always give way to pedestrians there as, it has to be said, most do.
But there's not a lot you can do if some twat on a skateboard rides into the side of you when you're half way out of the junction.
We all need to be more respectful of other road users, whatever type of vehicle (or foot power) we are using at the time. And we all need to be mindful that there are consequences to our actions.
The Hawk
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Mudgie
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The skateboarder was NOT crossing a road and had the right of way.
littleme
250,000th poster!
What was the car driving on then, if not a road?
Mudgie
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Your "Is the green cross code no longer a thing?" suggested you meant the pedestrian / skateboarder but, yes, the car driver should have stopped, looked and listened.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
This is the area where the incident happened I believe. It looks to me that it is a road, especially as there are double yellow lines painted on it. If I recall correctly, the pedestrian area starts at approximately level with the white door frame and goes to the left. The remainder to the right appears to be a road.
As there is no STOP sign, only a ‘No left turn’ signage, it appears that car drivers do not have to stop. Any driver would normally be very careful when driving out of Mill Street if they know the area, but maybe not so much if unfamiliar with it.
What does everyone else think?
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Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
In the 2009 view, there was a solid 'Stop' line on the road and 'STOP' painted on the bricks. Why that was removed, or just not replaced, is anybody's guess. It's all a bit of a dog's breakfast - either just carelessness or intentionally ambiguous, with a view to heightening care by motorists using the road, but that only works with careful motorists, who aren't really the problem in the beginning.
The 'No left turn' signs are beyond where the Stop line was, and set off to the side, presumably for a bit of clearance for trucks, etc. Maybe it was felt that a Stop sign, in the appropriate location would be a bit physically obstructive?