Thehooperman
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There was definitely something there and if I remember correctly the road was a pedestrian area (may be wrong on that one) and you had to give way to pedestrians.
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Mudgie
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Mill Street is clearly a side road. Greengate Street and Bridge Street are not.
A car being driven in that position should heed the Highway Code which states that "at a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which you are turning".
Most motorists though are either oblivious to that or choose to ignore it. At all the junctions walking to or from the town centre the great majority of motorists leaving or joining the Weston Road totally ignore myself and other pedestrians, only a minority giving us the consideration we deserve as acknowledged by the Highway Code.
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littleme
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Definatly a road, And @Mudgie knows I meant the pedestrian should stop look & listen, not the car. I've driven down there plenty of times and it's hard to clearly see pedestrians coming from the left (especially at speed)....your bonnet of the car has to be well past the wall on the left to get a clear view.
littleme
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That's not a junction, it's a corner.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Can you really call Greengate Street a main road anymore? Traffic can only use it for access to frontages between limited hours during the day.
You aren’t wrong with what you say about stopping at junctions, drivers need to be more careful. But take a look at the kerbs and road markings in the area. They do seem to indicate that Mill Street vehicles are able to just drive round the ‘corner’
I’m not defending either the driver or skateboarder, just having a discussion about the road markings.
You aren’t wrong with what you say about stopping at junctions, drivers need to be more careful. But take a look at the kerbs and road markings in the area. They do seem to indicate that Mill Street vehicles are able to just drive round the ‘corner’
I’m not defending either the driver or skateboarder, just having a discussion about the road markings.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
All the Street View images dating back to 2009 don’t have STOP signs and it seems like the road markings haven’t changed either. I can’t remember if there ever was a STOP sign there.
The Hawk
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Have a look at the road marking in 2009.
Mudgie
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I've driven down there only a few times but 'at a snail's pace' have had no difficulty seeing pedestrians coming from the left at whatever speed.
Mudgie
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No, it's a junction of three roads - that's if Greengate Street and Bridge Street are considered separate roads.
There are two corners, one on each side.
Mudgie
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No, Greengate Street isn't a main road but the very limited amount of traffic it now carries doesn't mean the Highway Code doesn't apply.
And the absence of road markings leaving Mill Street doesn't invalidate Rule H2 of the new Highway Code which states that " At a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning".
joshua
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From Staffordshire County Council:
An abnormal load will be travelling northbound on the A34 from Stafford through to Talke (before being handed over to Cheshire Police to escort) on Saturday, 10 June 2023.
To facilitate the abnormal load, it will be necessary to temporarily close the A34 in both directions between Yarlet Lane and Redhill roundabout for a period of approximately 1.5-2 hours between the times identified below whilst the cones and cylinders through the section of roadworks are removed and replaced.
For safety reasons, it will not be possible to permit traffic (except emergency blue light vehicles) to travel between the closure points until the cones and cylinders have been reinstated once the abnormal load has passed through, which we expect will be approximately 1.5-2 hours after the road closure is implemented.
Saturday 10 June 2023.
A34 closed for approx. 1.5-2 hours between 08:00 – 12:00.
The load will be escorted by Staffordshire Police who will work alongside our contractor’s traffic management team to manage the loads through the works area as swiftly as possible, however, we are expecting a significant amount of disruption as a result of these latest movements.
Electronic variable message signs (VMS) will be installed at strategic locations on the A34 to provide advance notification of the next closure and to advise road users to use alternative routes where possible – these will be updated for each movement once the previous movement has taken place.
Unfortunately, due to the size of the abnormal load there are a number of factors outside of our control which will affect the exact timing of the closure, and therefore we’re unable to state the exact time of the closure.
The loads will continue northbound on the A34 under police escort towards the Staffordshire/Cheshire boundary.
An abnormal load will be travelling northbound on the A34 from Stafford through to Talke (before being handed over to Cheshire Police to escort) on Saturday, 10 June 2023.
To facilitate the abnormal load, it will be necessary to temporarily close the A34 in both directions between Yarlet Lane and Redhill roundabout for a period of approximately 1.5-2 hours between the times identified below whilst the cones and cylinders through the section of roadworks are removed and replaced.
For safety reasons, it will not be possible to permit traffic (except emergency blue light vehicles) to travel between the closure points until the cones and cylinders have been reinstated once the abnormal load has passed through, which we expect will be approximately 1.5-2 hours after the road closure is implemented.
Saturday 10 June 2023.
A34 closed for approx. 1.5-2 hours between 08:00 – 12:00.
The load will be escorted by Staffordshire Police who will work alongside our contractor’s traffic management team to manage the loads through the works area as swiftly as possible, however, we are expecting a significant amount of disruption as a result of these latest movements.
Electronic variable message signs (VMS) will be installed at strategic locations on the A34 to provide advance notification of the next closure and to advise road users to use alternative routes where possible – these will be updated for each movement once the previous movement has taken place.
Unfortunately, due to the size of the abnormal load there are a number of factors outside of our control which will affect the exact timing of the closure, and therefore we’re unable to state the exact time of the closure.
The loads will continue northbound on the A34 under police escort towards the Staffordshire/Cheshire boundary.
Mudgie
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That reminds me of how busy the A34 was when I were a lad before the M6 was built and it was a very busy trunk road between Winchester and Preston. And the pavements of Bridge Street, Greengate Street and Gaolgate Street were just as busy with shoppers. Now all one's likely to encounter is the occasional skateboarder.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Stop line! Never noticed that when I looked before. Strange how there wasn't any signage and even stranger why the stop line was taken out.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Doesn't Bridge Street start at the mini island? Not sure myself.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
You aren't wrong. For clarity, I agree with you. I just think that the road markings and signage seem vague at best. A proper STOP sign would help at the very least.
Mudgie
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Gramaisc
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Some people think the Bridge Street/Greengate Street threshold is at the bridge.
Bengal Lounge (ex-Curry Kuteer) gives its address as Greengate Street, as does the barber nextdoor.
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Mudgie
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I never realised that but have just foundSome people think the Bridge Street/Greengate Street threshold is at the bridge.
Bengal Lounge (ex-Curry Kuteer) gives its address as Greengate Street, as does the barber nextdoor.
enjoy Barbering Co | Stafford
enjoy Barbering Co, Stafford. 347 likes · 21 were here. Stafford | Greengate street| ST16 2HY| Gents hair • Male Grooming • Walk-ins & Appointments available with @booksybiz • Open Monday 26th March
Jobcentre Plus, 30 Greengate Street Stafford, ST16 2HY
Bengal Lounge, 31 Greengate Street Stafford, ST16 2HY
Enjoy, 32 Greengate Street Stafford, ST16 2HY
The Bath Hotel / Pitchers / Dougals / Seamus O'Donnells / Tavern 33 Greengate Street Stafford, ST16 2HY
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Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
That’s interesting. Shows how roads and addresses sometimes aren’t where they seem to be.Some people think the Bridge Street/Greengate Street threshold is at the bridge.
Bengal Lounge (ex-Curry Kuteer) gives its address as Greengate Street, as does the barber nextdoor.
enjoy Barbering Co | Stafford
enjoy Barbering Co, Stafford. 347 likes · 21 were here. Stafford | Greengate street| ST16 2HY| Gents hair • Male Grooming • Walk-ins & Appointments available with @booksybiz • Open Monday 26th March
Gramaisc
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It's an odd one. I can't find any of the occupiers between the river and the mini-roundabout ever using Bridge Street for their address, even going back a few decades for the pub, RBS and the jewellers, even back to the Bath Hotel.
Google Maps insists it's Bridge Street, and Past Track describes pictures along there as that, too.
There could be similar disagreements over things like Wolverhampton Road/Rowley Bank/Rising Brook/Moss Pit, etc.